• xtapa@discuss.tchncs.de
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      13 hours ago

      You say he was, and then post an article that concludes

      it seems evident his religion was closest to pantheism

      and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn’t either.

      Then there’s “Mein Kampf” where Hitler himself talks about continuing “the work of the Lord”.

      So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herren.

      So today I believe I am acting in the spirit of the almighty Creator: By resisting the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

      This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.

      A speech of him from 1927:

      Wir müssen Gott dan­ken für diese Gnade. (…) Gott hat Völker, aber keine Klassen geschaffen.

      We must thank God for this grace. (…) God created peoples, not classes.

      And a speech from 1939:

      Es sei „eine Anmaßung, anzunehmen, daß der liebe Gott die Welt nur für ein oder zwei Völker geschaffen habe.“

      It is “presumptuous to assume that the dear/good Lord created the world only for one or two peoples.”

      “Der liebe Gott” is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.

      Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?

      Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.

      Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:

      he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon

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        Good writeup man, but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff… but thatwill remain subjective still. That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.

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        15 hours ago

        Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:

        This is literally every argument Christians make in defense of their hateful ideology.

        They really should change the name of the fallacy to “no true Christian”