Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
Should nazis have been integrated into post-ww2 solution?
Zionism is similarly a genocidal fascist ideology. If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes. That’s extremely generous. I don’t know what else you would expect.
Libs running cover for zios is just another example of how liberalism supports fascism. And this actively contributes to anti-semitism.
Should nazis have been integrated into post-ww2 solution?
… fucking what
Is this some Morgenthau Plan insanity that I’m not genocidal enough to understand?
If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes.
Oh, great, more ‘Go back where you came from!’ racism. Blut und boden. It seems the only thing that separates you from literal fucking Nazis is what team colors you wear.
Do you think nazis should have stayed in poland and become part of the one-state government? Why or why not?
I’m talking about nazis, not ethnically german poles. Can you understand the difference?
I’m talking about nazis, not ethnically german poles. Can you understand the difference?
Considering that you came in on a post saying that Israelis should be integrated into a one-state solution, and asking people not to be antisemitic?
I’m not sure that you understand the difference. Or much of anything, for that matter.
Yeah that’s part of why the post is bullshit. It’s the flattening of a culture without any nuance. It’s conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism. That’s why it’s anti-semitic.
I can easily tell the difference between a fascist and regular person. I know a few israelis. The zios are brainwashed racist creeps. Those who resist are probably better people than me, refugees who’ve had to flee zio death threats and prison.
Keep dodging the question tho. You gonna put those nazis in the polish government or what?
Yeah that’s part of why the post is bullshit.
The post is bullshit because… you’re incapable of differentiating between individuals of a particular ethnicity and political allegiance to fascist and genocidal movements?
What?
I can easily tell the difference between a fascist and regular person. I know a few israelis. The zios are racist creeps. Those who resist are brave refugees who’ve had to flee zio death threats and prison.
Are you… talking to yourself right now or something? What does this have to do with the topic?
Keep dodging the question tho.
“Israelis should be integrated into a one-state solution instead of a racist Zionist state. Please don’t peddle antisemitic claptrap about sending them ‘back where they came from’ because their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents came from Europe. That’s insanely racist.”
“OH, so you would allow the NAZIS to be part of POLAND’S government???”
I’m beginning to think you’re suffering from a legitimate mental illness, because you very consistently start with these bizarre tangents and get weirder and less relevant with each comment.
Are you… talking to yourself right now or something? What does this have to do with the topic?
I’m explaining the difference between a nazi and someone who resists. Apparently you can’t understand this.
“OH, so you would allow the NAZIS to be part of POLAND’S government???”
So no. You’re not. You must be racist against german people?
Get help, buddy.
Israel is the most anti-Jewish state since Nazi Germany, and Palestinians are semitic.
Unfortunately, the term “antisemitic” no longer has any kind of fixed meaning. I wish that weren’t true, and I think it’s a combination of forces that decided to misuse the word for several decades, that have now led to it being meaningless.
And you might be tempted to tell me what you think it means, and maybe I could agree with you, but when I turn on the TV tomorrow someone else will be using it in a totally different way that’s inconsistent. Actually I’m kidding. I don’t have a TV.
Words that people misuse are still meaningful when the reader and writer both understand the same meaning. I expect you understand OP perfectly well.
Words that people misuse for the sake of propaganda are intentionally misleading, regardless of how any in-group understands it.
Your use of the word “intentionally” is quite confusing to me. Intentionally misleading on whose part? The word’s part, or the in-group’s?
Nuance and subtlety? Not on my lemmy!
It’s my understanding that it is occurring naturally on its own, anyways?
A few reporting I’ve heard on Israel describes a state filled with dual-citizenship inhabitants that are used to first-world standard and would rather leave the country than deal with inconveniences. I oversimplify here, but who really wants to live in a genocidal state? Whether you’re on board or not with the genocide, it’s still a massive point of friction with neighbors.
Seems unlikely you’ll get more than half of people leaving “naturally.” Or at least, “naturally” is going to look more and more like “coerced” over the years if progress is made.
I’m not sure I understand what you are implying by
if progress is made. Progress on what, exactly?Progress on ending genocide. If there is progress, then those responsible will be leaving or facing their war crimes. Hopefully both.
Without “if progress is made,” my statement would have read:
“naturally” is going to look more and more like “coerced,”
but I don’t believe this, since my expectation is that the status quo will remain.
There’s a significant issue of younger Israelis emigrating from Israel due to that friction, though I don’t know the exact numbers.
It’s a few tens of thousands, not a huge number, but significant for a small country. Also not necessarily younger ones. Families are moving out too. Greece is the first destination at the moment.
I think that the fact that youths and families are leaving is a much worse demographic crisis than it might seem at first glance. It’s literally the future of the country that is leaving.
It’s definitely looking dire for Israel, just on a demographic level.
*It’s ok to hate Israel
Jewish people and groups around the world need to issue strong rejection of Israel’s actions.
If they don’t, i’m very concerned that Israel’s crimes will fall back on them in the future.
Condemnation of Israel’s actions won’t protect Jews around the world.
Do you think it’s safer to support genocide?
It will protect them from the free palestine crowd, but not from anti-semites. Is there a downside though?
The free palestine crowd contains and covers for antisemites among their ranks.
Well yeah, obviously. There are anti-semites everywhere. I meant those whose motivations are “free palestine,” which in my estimate is the main motivation of the free palestine crowd when viewed as a whole – not antisemitism. I don’t mean to say that there don’t exist people who are aligned with free-palestine just because they’re anti-semitic. But there’s no protection from those people either way – so, no downside.
Like how libs cover for fascism.
Nope, fuck off.
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So many people on the left for whom jew = Zionist = fascist Israeli. It plays right in the hand of all the actual right-wingers and fascists supporting Israel. Appalling and stupid.
Isn’t that the stance of Israel as well? They claim to be the representatives of all jewish people.
specifically the stance of Likud.
So lefties should align their position on the fascist government of Israel ? 🤔
That’s why literally nobody on the left does this. A common and reasonable refrain is that it’s anti-semitic to conflate judaism and zionism.
These imaginary jew=zionist leftists are just a lib fever dream. Zio delusions.
Oh we out here making friends in these comment sections today.
Hating on the Israeli government is bound to attract “the other group who has similar things to say and a bit more”. Now suddenly we are all group into the anti-semite barrel by Israel. Master class false dichotomy there.
While it is a lunatic statement, it isn’t antisemitic. It’s only antisemitic if it applies to jewish Palestinians that have a connection to the land. The jewish Israelis of European descent aren’t connected to the land. Thus, this isn’t antisemitic. But I do agree that it is a lunatic statement anyway.
I live in North America, and I have European descent, and I have a connection to the land. I can trace my family back 13 generations in North America. But even if I could not, being born somewhere gives you a connection to the land. Unless you’re Trump, I daresay this is a widely-agreed-on perspective. I don’t think anyone should have to be kicked out of the place they were born.
How do you feel about german babies born in poland during ww2? Or YTs holding all the land in south africa?
And maybe you should look at your own privileged life from a similar angle.
I look at my own privileged life from many angles. If I don’t belong here, then where do I belong? Some other country I’ve never been to, am not a citizen of, and who hates immigrants? Everyone belongs somewhere.
Well, unless you’re Donald Trump, and want to end birthright citizenship.
Regarding youtubes in South Africa holding all the land – as a leftist I don’t really believe in strong private property rights. The land should be liberated. That doesn’t mean I think they should be kicked out, or that some other country should take them. Well, unless you’re Donald Trump, and want to invite “south african refugees” into your country.
While it is a lunatic statement, it isn’t antisemitic. It’s only antisemitic if it applies to jewish Palestinians that have a connection to the land. The jewish Israelis of European descent aren’t connected to the land. Thus, this isn’t antisemitic. But I do agree that it is a lunatic statement anyway.
Oh my fucking God, when did leftism become Blut und Boden nationalism?
Pretty sure it’s the zios who are all about the blut and boden, even though they’re foreign colonizers.
And it would seem many are content to imitate the Zionists in parroting that Nazi shite. Congratulations on being manipulated by literal fucking Zionists.
I have a solution: we force the region to start respecting human rights or we start incarcerating offenders. We don’t need to build a bunch of condos for the palestinians, we don’t need to give them lawyers or outsource their legal disputes, we don’t need to help either side militarize against the other: we just need to hold them to a bare minimum standard by force and they’ll sort the shit out in a few decades.
This is what the ICJ was made for. These are the rules we all agreed to play by after WWII. They fucked around, it should be the right of anybody and everyone who wants to interfere to go in and make them find out.
BTW human rights should include not being segregated into walled off districts.
I have a solution: we force the region to start respecting human rights or we start incarcerating offenders.
How?
Are we going to invade?
Or is it more likely that it ends up a North Korea situation where those who are in charge of such atrocities just don’t go to countries that will arrest them?
Yes, they’re going to get invaded. That should not upset anybody who believes in the sanctity of human life because it’s certainly not going to create a worse outcome than 2 million people being starved out.
My concern is that unlike Nazi Germany, Fascist Israel will not surrender. I am very worried that soon it is going to start nuking the region as part of a state failure cycle.
Germany “surrendered” after we pushed into Berlin and Hitler had killed himself.
Nuke sabre rattling is pointless, if mutually assured destruction isn’t enough of a deterrent then theres nothing more we could do about it of we wanted to.
Israel’s gonna fucking find out, sooner or later.
Yeah I don’t think Israel is managed well enough to be afraid of mutually assured destruction. I think it will just start tossing nukes. I am not thrilled about this.
Problem is who gave us right to force people in the other side of the world to do this?
The U.-Fucking-N. and the ICJ. After WWII we came together and decided the rules. Genocide is justification for invasion under the rules.
