Obviously you know a thing or two about german police, so you know that the police forces are federal leaded; so the police from Hamburg can be very diferent to the police from Hessen, or Lower-Saxony etc.
So if you know some people from one federal police, doesent mean you know them all.
Fe: The police from Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony are known for the very liberal and kind way of working, Bavaria and Hamburg on the other hand are known as straight law-and-order cops.
Further more:
I only know 2 people from the police in NRW, one was a socialist, good hearted criminal inspector from Cologne (father of a friend) and the other is an patrol officer from Düsseldorf. The patrol officer is a unpolitical working class guy, but has a good sense for whats good or bad. I know him from Alt Rock Festivals.
2015 and the rising numbers of refugees and the was a severe tests for the democratic values of our society. In every bubble I know (working class, farmers, academics, city folks, town folks, people from migrant families), a lot of people said and did weird stuff, and some got catched by fascist propaganda.
Especially working class, farmers and town folks had in my experience a high amount of fascist and racist views.
A friend of mine is working in a hospital as a nurse. He was facing racism from colleagues against patients on a daily basis. He had to fight a lot, to make his colleagues think about what they are saying.
And then came covid-19, a much more intense test.
Today I witness a more reflected and differentiated view. The bubbles far away from the academic ivory tower are more sensitive for discrimination and fascism or undemocratic behavior.
So if you witnessed a change of view by police officers, it was probably more of general view in the working class - and most police officers are more working class then academica.
2024 a lot of people got killed by police forces in Germany. This is a tragedy. And we have to lower the numbers.
To make a relation between uprising facism inside police forces and people shot by police is at least bold. Especially if you look at the cases in detail.
As far as I know its more of problem of our psychological treatment and a rising number of people in need for psychological/psychiatric help.
Where did you get your informations about illegal police force against leftist, poor people, migrants and refugees / asylum seekers?
I dont know how deep you digged into criminology, but this is a really tricky topic. Its about the Dark and white figures of crimes. If you show me your source, probably I can explain it a little to you.
But still: Illegetimate behavior by police officers, especially unlawfull force, against anybody is a severe problem in police forces. As far as I know its not a big problem in numbers, but as other forms of corruption, it does severe harm to our society and can lead to spirals of violence.
To your last part:
The GDP (the by far major police union) and the BDK are fighting against the afd in the police. Fe. it is not allowed to be part of the afd as an GDP Member since 2021. And contrary to their usually unpolitical public statements, both unions condemn the afd.
https://www.gdp.de/niedersachsen/de/stories/2025/05/2025-05-02-verfassungsschutzentscheidung-zur-afd-muss-ernst-genommen-werdenhttps://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/72365/5696490
And many federal states are trying to make the police force resilent against fascist propaganda. There a democracy-schoolings, fe. by lgbtqi+ police-officers. And the basic training nowadays includes sociology, psychology, criminology, anti-escaltiv trainings etc. to prevent radical views by training them to look through the daily mess of poverty, violence and misery they are facing day to day.
The Dpolg-leaders on the other hand are at least right-wing conservative populstists. In general they are just loud and are playing todays media.
In parts because of them, Polizei Grün (police green) got founded.
https://polizei-gruen.de/
And they try to work on some basic problems of the police, like their error-culture.
So… Are they all still bastards* to you?
Edit:
*furthermore: the insult “bastards” is shit. Please, if you want to insult someone, use something else
The problem is not with individual cops, I know a lot of really good cops, first among them my aunt who always fought to keep the institution responsible and upright by investigating cases of police misconduct and for that she was threatened and ostracised.
The problem is that the institution politically is largely opposed to checks and regulations regarding their members. Prosecutors drop charges of police violence if any investigation takes place at all (only 2% will arrive at a charge). And if it comes to a trial, policemen form the ol’ “Wall Of Silence” (also the case of Oury Jalloh)
Amnesty International says:
“Leider gibt es viele Einzelfälle, bei denen die Ermittlungen […] unbefriedigend bleiben”
At what point do “many individual cases” stop being individual cases?
Slesvig and Lower Saxony being model police forces doesn’t take away the problems with hamburgian, saxon, north rhine westphalian, hessian, baden wurtembergian and bavarian forces.
The GDP fighting fascism in the police is a good thing, but the unions resisting the establishment of independent investigators is not.
Other countries have a much more transparent handling of their cases of police violence and our german police institutions are lobbying hard to keep those regulations away in our country.
This opposition to control and regulation is a HUGE problem, especially when the people holding the states monopoly on violence are forming an esprit de corps that prevents individual good cops from blowing the whistle on bad behaviors.
Believe me, im in to the thematic and the police as a whole needs reformation, especially the error-culture.
But still: Is “ACAB” the right answer to this problems?
Obviously you know a thing or two about german police, so you know that the police forces are federal leaded; so the police from Hamburg can be very diferent to the police from Hessen, or Lower-Saxony etc. So if you know some people from one federal police, doesent mean you know them all. Fe: The police from Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony are known for the very liberal and kind way of working, Bavaria and Hamburg on the other hand are known as straight law-and-order cops. Further more: I only know 2 people from the police in NRW, one was a socialist, good hearted criminal inspector from Cologne (father of a friend) and the other is an patrol officer from Düsseldorf. The patrol officer is a unpolitical working class guy, but has a good sense for whats good or bad. I know him from Alt Rock Festivals.
2015 and the rising numbers of refugees and the was a severe tests for the democratic values of our society. In every bubble I know (working class, farmers, academics, city folks, town folks, people from migrant families), a lot of people said and did weird stuff, and some got catched by fascist propaganda. Especially working class, farmers and town folks had in my experience a high amount of fascist and racist views. A friend of mine is working in a hospital as a nurse. He was facing racism from colleagues against patients on a daily basis. He had to fight a lot, to make his colleagues think about what they are saying. And then came covid-19, a much more intense test. Today I witness a more reflected and differentiated view. The bubbles far away from the academic ivory tower are more sensitive for discrimination and fascism or undemocratic behavior. So if you witnessed a change of view by police officers, it was probably more of general view in the working class - and most police officers are more working class then academica.
2024 a lot of people got killed by police forces in Germany. This is a tragedy. And we have to lower the numbers. To make a relation between uprising facism inside police forces and people shot by police is at least bold. Especially if you look at the cases in detail. As far as I know its more of problem of our psychological treatment and a rising number of people in need for psychological/psychiatric help.
Where did you get your informations about illegal police force against leftist, poor people, migrants and refugees / asylum seekers? I dont know how deep you digged into criminology, but this is a really tricky topic. Its about the Dark and white figures of crimes. If you show me your source, probably I can explain it a little to you. But still: Illegetimate behavior by police officers, especially unlawfull force, against anybody is a severe problem in police forces. As far as I know its not a big problem in numbers, but as other forms of corruption, it does severe harm to our society and can lead to spirals of violence.
To your last part: The GDP (the by far major police union) and the BDK are fighting against the afd in the police. Fe. it is not allowed to be part of the afd as an GDP Member since 2021. And contrary to their usually unpolitical public statements, both unions condemn the afd. https://www.gdp.de/niedersachsen/de/stories/2025/05/2025-05-02-verfassungsschutzentscheidung-zur-afd-muss-ernst-genommen-werden https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/72365/5696490 And many federal states are trying to make the police force resilent against fascist propaganda. There a democracy-schoolings, fe. by lgbtqi+ police-officers. And the basic training nowadays includes sociology, psychology, criminology, anti-escaltiv trainings etc. to prevent radical views by training them to look through the daily mess of poverty, violence and misery they are facing day to day.
The Dpolg-leaders on the other hand are at least right-wing conservative populstists. In general they are just loud and are playing todays media. In parts because of them, Polizei Grün (police green) got founded. https://polizei-gruen.de/ And they try to work on some basic problems of the police, like their error-culture.
So… Are they all still bastards* to you?
Edit: *furthermore: the insult “bastards” is shit. Please, if you want to insult someone, use something else
The problem is not with individual cops, I know a lot of really good cops, first among them my aunt who always fought to keep the institution responsible and upright by investigating cases of police misconduct and for that she was threatened and ostracised.
The problem is that the institution politically is largely opposed to checks and regulations regarding their members. Prosecutors drop charges of police violence if any investigation takes place at all (only 2% will arrive at a charge). And if it comes to a trial, policemen form the ol’ “Wall Of Silence” (also the case of Oury Jalloh)
Amnesty International says:
At what point do “many individual cases” stop being individual cases?
Slesvig and Lower Saxony being model police forces doesn’t take away the problems with hamburgian, saxon, north rhine westphalian, hessian, baden wurtembergian and bavarian forces.
The GDP fighting fascism in the police is a good thing, but the unions resisting the establishment of independent investigators is not.
Other countries have a much more transparent handling of their cases of police violence and our german police institutions are lobbying hard to keep those regulations away in our country.
This opposition to control and regulation is a HUGE problem, especially when the people holding the states monopoly on violence are forming an esprit de corps that prevents individual good cops from blowing the whistle on bad behaviors.
I would urge you to look into the KivAPol research project: https://kviapol.uni-frankfurt.de/
Believe me, im in to the thematic and the police as a whole needs reformation, especially the error-culture. But still: Is “ACAB” the right answer to this problems?