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Another nail in the coffin.
This is huge blow to archivism, thanks to corporate greed and enshittification of reddit. Worst MBA filled POS.
That place is becoming more and more of a shithole. Bots, Ads, trolls, garbage mods… deleted the app last month.
So reddit will become even less valuable
If you can’t archive something, did it ever really exist?
In a causal sense, yes. In a ‘the average person is fucking stupid’ sense, no.
They can keep their shit for themselves, stopped caring a long time ago.
Nice of them to protect their (users’) content from AI scrapping. So that they can charge AI companies for it instead.
They aren’t doing that. They are protecting content from being scraped for free. Reddit is perfectly happy to charge for AI access to user-generated content.
When reddit has mutated a few more times. They start erasing stuff themselves. It will be lost to time and that fills me with hope.
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Is that even possible?
Technologically no. Reddit sends out the data to 10s of millions of users as part of their normal operations. They need to try to block those who collect that data for the IA. Reddit has the very short end of the stick.
The problem is that evading such counter-measures may be criminal in the US. Obviously, EU laws are much harsher.
Not to mention all of Asia, South America, Africa…
Slightly related, can you explain how (a few times for me) an archived page I tried to revisit got erased?
I don’t know their take-down policy. Could be privacy, could be copyright.
I think they are shielded by Section 230 under US law. That means, if they don’t do take-downs when requested, they become liable just like the original uploader. So it depends on whether they think they can defend something as fair use. IDK what they do with requests under non-US laws.
Good plan. Keep locking down your big tech platforms, and we’ll all be over here letting folks know where they can find freedom.
Careful. Lemmy is too small to draw the attention of sophisticated, persistent abuse. As a company, Reddit has struggled with revenue and we’ve all seen those struggles quite publicly. Lemmy instances with those same challenges would probably just fold and close up.
Federated networks give you freedom but the potential for abuse is proportional to that freedom while at the same time, federation is far more expensive taken as a whole.
Lemmy instances with those same challenges would probably just fold and close up.
Can confirm. I set up a pixelfed instance for my city with the goal of moving people from Insta to this version. After about three months, user accounts went from 1-10 signups a week to a hundred a week.
No way did that many business owners sign up. And yep, all spam.
After a while, my random weekend project in Spring became a full time job. I closed it last month.
I’m sure it would persist even after an event of malicious activity. It may just turn out like email with servers needing to be added to an allowlist at worst and more moderation. I think scalability might be the limiting factor at some point though and as a result we could end up with several disconnected islands of server clusters instead of globally meshed servers.
Or… let them stay on Reddit. I like lemmy much better, and it’s possibly due to the people that are not present and the lack of commercial interest.
Gate them in their own space.
No harm in that. To each their own. :-) Everyone gets to decide at least.
Just make your own invite-only server if you’re so worried about it. Digital freedom should be for everyone, not just a few antisocial nerds.
I’m not worried about anything.
‘freedom’ as long as the mod agrees with you.
AI can scrape books and journals for info, but can’t scrape Reddit?
Reddit can be scraped just as much as online books and journals.
Yes. Rules for thee.
what’s a reddit?
You use it too scratch your butt I think.
And I will block reddit.
It’s another move to protect against AI scraping that isn’t paying them for access.
Weren’t Reddit comparing a couple of years ago that too many AI bots crawls were stressing their servers.
Doesn’t the internet archive relieve that stress?
