• nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Okay funny, but yeah Tesla on here kinda fucks it up because Elon is not a founder of Tesla, and he’s not visionary unless you count finding new ways to make it worthless. Elon is not visionary in any of his businesses, he just has money and pays people under him to try to make him look good. Emphasis on try

    He is an asshole though, I’ll give you that

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      Oh, but Elon is a founder, he paid enough to retcon himself as such, so he is.

      Can’t argue him being a ‘visionary’ though, unless you count ambitions that are vague enough so they are not actually actionable and obvious enough that pretty much any random person would be predicting the same thing.

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        Paying to say you are something doesn’t mean people need to accept it. He’s not a founder of Tesla under conventional understanding and he never will be. It’s as simple as that

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        'member r/enoughmuskspam ? Reddit was blowing him so hard there was a sub asking to please tone it down a little.

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    You all don’t know what you’re talking about. Elon absolutely is a visionary. Who else could come up with the new Tesla Roadster with rocket thruster package (source)? Now, actually brining that vision to market, yeah Elon might not be your guy. Now that I think about it, his visions are more like delusions. Maybe let’s call him a delusionary.

    Also gonna put this here if you would like to read more of his delusions. https://elonmusk.today/

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      Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning are the founders.

      Instead of having them as the face of American EV innovation, we have some guy who’s talent is being born with money and then getting lucky in a business venture.

      There’s hundreds or thousands of these companies which were founded by innovative and creative people that were bought out and absorbed into some giant corporation so that it doesn’t ever have to compete with anybody.

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    I came here to point out that Musk didn’t found Tesla, but I see that this is basically the entire topic of the comnents section 😂

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    Elon musk didn’t found tesla. He’s also an idiot nepo baby, not a visionary.

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      10 hours ago

      Elon to my knowledge hasn’t been the founder of a single project he’s been part of. He’s bought everything.

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        His initial lottery ticket of a business Zip2 I think he was fairly a founder.

        I know next to nothing about it because no one ever heard of it before Compaq had a huge case of dot-com FOMO and paid $300 million for it, where it promptly went nowhere like it already was.

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        Yep, he’s your typical parasitic orbiting-usurper, buzzing around people of talent until the opportunity presents itself for him to steal all their work while they’re busy making the future happen.

        Steve Jobs was exactly the same. Wozniak made the Apple 1 a reality and before that, he used Wozniak’s discarded Pong PCBs to get a job at Atari. At Atari he was just a talentless socially domineering psychopath doing shakedown on the company’s nerd for his lunch money.

        When assigned a task to create a cost-optimized version of the game Breakout, were he was offered 100$ for each TTL chip he could optimize out of the design. So he went to his “friend” Wozniak, who managed to remove 50 chips from the design. Steve Jobs made 5000$ (in 1976 money) and he “let” Wozniak have 375$ of this. All jobs did is the menial work of etching the PCBs sketched by Wozniak and solder some of them.

        Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are truely despicable pieces of shit and I say as a society, and for the good of everyone, we should use the dystopian surveillance capitalism to find all people like them and box them right out so we don’t have to suffer such parasitic psychopaths.

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          Unlike Elon, I feel like Steve Jobs legitimately had skills. Of course, it’s completely despicable of him to scoop more than 10x the profit compared to Woz in that example. I guess what I’m trying to say is that Jobs was a talented asshole, but Elon is just a no-talent asshole.

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            I think it safe to assume Steve Jobs simply stole absolutely everything else he got credit for. As a powerful person in the organization, other people simply came up to him with their ideas hoping he would bestow on them rewards and he just stole their shit and then made them silent about it. This is how it works in nearly all corporation, whoever has power just legally steals everyone’s work and crushes anyone that complains about it. I filed a patent where I work and I didn’t even get a full week’s pay for it. Not even a paid vacation either, just a simple bonus, my request for unpaid time off was also denied.

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              Work for yourself or people who respect you more. You filed a patent, you are able to understand how the system works.

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            It’s completely despicable for any person in a company to be making 10x compared to the janitor.

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          NASA obviously, all the technology, funding, lab structure, education pipeline and of course all the ideas are from NASA.

          Spacex only exists so that NASA’s activities can be extracted rent from by outsides.

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      Same with Jobs on the “visionary” part – the only thing that guy ever visualized was bigger stacks of money.

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        I think Jobs had his issues, but I do have to consider it fair for folks to claim him to be a visionary.

        There was a presentation back in '97 where someone a bilt salty about Apple abandoning OpenDoc for Java and Jobs had a pretty solid response with insight.

        Not so sure about post-iPod Jobs, but once upon a time he certainly seemed a respectable business leader with good product focus.

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        In fairness to Jobs, he may have been an arsehole, but he was also an incredible salesman who knew what his customers wanted.

        I’m old enough to remember how genuinely captivating his product presentations could be. The shit that Apple pre-records these days is worthless by comparison.

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          Sure, he was a good salesman, but any perception that he was the idea man was a deliberately cultivated lie. Woz had all the actually good ideas early on, then later it was other engineers.

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            It isn’t enough to have good ideas if you can’t persuade someone to buy them.

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              A) I don’t agree, and B) that’s not really relevant or incompatible with what I said.

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    Pretty sure Elmo isn’t one of the founders of Tesla. And calling him a visionary is pushing it.

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      Nah it’s cool bro, he rewrote history to make himself the founder of Tesla, because you can just do that when you have enough money.

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    I would have figured the three Linuses would have been like:

    1. Enthusiastic loud mouthed young Linus arguing with Tannenbaum.

    2. Aggressive Linus with no filter at all slapping maintainers upside the head.

    3. Aggressive Elder Linus with a personal insult filter applied still slapping maintainers upside the head.