This entire thread is hilarious. I’ve been paying for therapy like a sucker, I didn’t know you could get infinite amounts of free psychoanalysis just by suggesting that Starfield is somewhat underwhelming.
This has been Bethesda games forever, we always get this same conversation. And I can’t possibly imagine why.
New Vegas was basically a fan mod, Bethesda only provided the engine. Just like a mod
Is the gameplay the appeal of New Vegas? It’s my favourite of the Fallout franchise because I like the writing, and also I can kill almost anyone but somehow the story will find a way to go forward.
God I would kill (every NPC) for an Obsidian-made Skyrim.
God I would kill (every NPC) for an Obsidian-made Skyrim.
Tbh Outer Worlds is kinda a kill-every-NPC Starfield.
Also there’s not really a gameplay appeal of FO:NV (or FO3). 2008 is really where games got shooting mechanics down and Bethesda’s engine didn’t really get there until 2015. That’s why VATS exists.
FO was a very TTRPG-like (CRPG) game for a long time so the focus wasnt on gameplay.
60 hours in, either I’m playing it or thinking about it. Hell, I’m taking a break from just wiping out the Crimson Fleet to post this.
Yeah yeah puddle deep and all but I like Bethesda RPGs, there isn’t anyone else making sandbox RPGs to compare to and it runs good enough on Xbox. My PC was never gonna play it well.
No matter how much you hate it tho you have to admit the dialog system is the best of the atudios’ games by far. There are so many Persuade options and the mini game for it is done well enough. So many skills and traits get brought up in dialog like stealth, security, wanted, faction, etc. It’s like an upgrade on New Vegas’s system. Combat is great too and impactful . Hell I shot a guy in the shoulder and he grabbed it and yelled “OW HE HIT ME IN THE SHOULDER!” which surprised me. Space combat is fun too.
Wish UI and inventory management was better. Wish I could fly off the beaten path and find shit outside the “space box” you warp into. But whatever, once I realized it’s Fallout, not Freelancer I adjusted accordingly. Games better than the haters make it out to be, and that’s without any mods.
its dumb shit
I like the game. Shipbuilding, base building, and exploring settlements is pretty fun.
so like 2% of the game is fun to you
240 times. It took me two minutes to finish the “minigame” last time I did it. That’s 8 hours of grinding to max out every skill. Not 8 hours of fun gameplay and visually interesting dragon fights and dungeon crawls, 8 hours (that’s eight hours) of flying from one shiny spot to the next. Eight. 8. Hours. Of slow-ass zero G floating.
Last time I booted the game up, I fast traveled to my ship, took off, and heard Sarah say she has something for me. Something about that same line played for the millionth time absolutely killed my motivation to play, and I haven’t started the game up in like a week. The romance system is too much too fast. I went from “flirting” with Sarah to married in like 4 hours. We’ve known each other for all of one in-game month. Maybe I’m just a broken person, but the way we talk sounds so disingenuously infatuated.
I think about the concept of playing, and it sounds fun in theory, but realistically what am I gonna get done in the next 8 hours? I’ll talk to people that I don’t care about to move through a story that I’m fundamentally disinterested in because I know that >!in order to max out the dragon shou–I mean, Starborn powers, I’ll need to jump through and abandon alternate universes like Rick Sanchez but not as an ironic critique of internet nihilism. Hours and hours and hours wasted on >!timelines I don’t care about just to get to the end game where I… have strong powers and a good ship, and can’t connect with any of the characters because they’ll be the tenth iteration of the same ones that I could never convince myself to care about before.!<
Maybe in a year or two after the game has been updated, I’ll check it out again. Maybe I can shut my brain off for a minute and pretend I’m not >!grinding through universes!< if it doesn’t take me eight hours to max out all the powers. Or maybe I’ll just play BG3 when it comes to Xbox and forget that Starfield ever existed in the first place
The fact BG3 came out just before Starfield made me dislike the game even more than I probably would have I think. I went from playing probably the best RPG ever to Starfield, which doesn’t even try to make you think you’re playing any role except the chosen one. The fact that you join Constellation and almost instantly become not just a full member, but the person who everyone else takes orders from is rediculous.
The story sucks, the gameplay is bland, and there are so many friction points that constantly make you think about the fact you’re playing a game. It’s honestly sad. I love sci-fi so I was reasonably excited for the game, even knowing it’d be a modern Bethesda game, and it still let me down. The sci-fi concepts in the game aren’t even done well.
best RPG ever
Disco Elysium would like a word.
Yeah, it’s pretty underhwelming. There’s a lot of people who claim Starfield is a “great Bethesda game” but “people hyped it up too much.” In my opinion, it’s a terrible Bethesda game. The best thing those games do right is you can set off in a direction and along the way, find a world full of little things. Landmarks, unique little stories, side quests, and even just interesting items to grab. Starfield dropped all of this in favor of incredibly generic proc gen planets that have the same couple of outposts you’ll see on every planet. Like THE SAME. The interiors are THE SAME. Every safe, dead body, message log is THE SAME.
It lacks the one thing that brought me back to Bethesda games despite all their flaws.
God, I couldn’t put my finger on why I didn’t like it. I was just so bored, even with the exploration which I normally love. All of the fun parts of FO4 and Skyrim are missing. Just walking around and enjoying the world is completely missing, replaced by a pretty shitty space travel mechanic.
Fast travel to space, then fast travel to another planet. Fast travel to the surface and bunny hop to an objective through a boring city/space station/whatever. Fast travel back to your ship and do it all over again. I never made it far in the story because I couldn’t be bothered to give a damn. The characters were completely uninteresting at best. oh average they were mildly annoying.
Let me take off from the planets surface and fly in to space a few times before you lock me in to fast traveling. Let me fly from space and scream in to the atmosphere, shooting over the surface looking for a safe place to land, and navigate my way in to the city. Maybe 90% of the surface is uninteresting, that’s fine. But let me at least have some fun learning that.
They made every safe choice, and lost the sense of adventure. Because adventures aren’t supposed to be safe.
No Man’s Sky has you covered, in all the ways Starfield doesn’t.
No Man’s Sky was terrible at launch.
