Luz shares her apartment with her husband, also from Mexico and also undocumented. They met in America. He works in a bar. They have a young daughter who was born in America and is therefore a US citizen.
Ok. I’m not from the US and thought this was obvious. Is anyone in favor of undocumented or illegal immigrants? I thought the actual problem was deportations with no trials. It seems obvious no one should support illegal immigration. I think instead you should support allowing more people to inmigrate
Yes actually, i dont really give a crap who comes to our country as long as they aren’t violent (which is a moot point since most violent crime is perpetrated by citizens of said country). In the U.S. it’s extra ironic we dont want immigrants since we literally showed up here as immigrants and took the land from the Native Americans. We are all descendents of immigrants in this country.
Now, obviously, I cant get what I want, so I’d settle for reasonable immigration laws. But last time I checked getting citizenship in the U.S. can take as long as 20 years. In this administration, im sure its even harder to get citizenship if you aren’t a rich white racist fuckhead.
Yeah. They have 14 million undocumented immigrants currently. Like 4% of the population. A country like USA can sort of cope with that because they don’t have a heavy social security system like we tend to in Europe, but 4% is still quite a lot.
The problem is that system changes arbitrarily from one administration to the next, and people who thought they were protected suddenly find themselves unprotected, and then some clown comes along, and just starts throwing out people who thought they were safe for YEARS.
Even Ronald Reagan was able to come up with a fairly reasonable program to deal with the issue at the time, but the current MAGA Nazis literally take pleasure in oppressing people, and undocumented people are easy, low hanging fruit.
While you’re right, there’s still a big difference from legal immigrants who were granted temporary residence and illegal immigrants. The former were allowed into the country for a limited duration of time, but the latter weren’t allowed in the first place.
There have been all sorts of asylum programs, DACA, pathways to citizenship, etc. Trump recently cancelled a program that was protecting 200,000 people from countries like Venezuela. Many people were recruited into the military with the false promise that serving in the military would protect them. Many, many people have legitimately thought they were here under the protection of one program or another, only to have it end, and replaced by a new one.
Now, even people with Green Cards, or even CITIZENSHIP, are being scrutinized. Even Birthright Citizenship is being questioned. Rubio today announced that they will remove passports of AMERICAN citizens who criticize the administration. It seems even actual American citizens aren’t even safe.
Just because the Conservative Propaganda Machine doesn’t tell you about it, and you are too ignorant to look into it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Stop thinking like a MAGA Nazi Traitor, and start thinking like an American.
There have been all sorts of asylum programs, DACA, pathways to citizenship, etc. Trump recently cancelled a program that was protecting 200,000 people from countries like Venezuela. Many people were recruited into the military with the false promise that serving in the military would protect them. Many, many people have legitimately thought they were here under the protection of one program or another, only to have it end, and replaced by a new one.
Also Afghans who previously were fighting off the Taliban alongside US troops, had to get out and try getting asylum, but now seen as unwanted, to be cuffed by ICE and thrown back to Kabul to be possibly imprisoned or executed.
It ia more nuanced than that. What makes immigration “illegal” is incredibly arbitrary and inconsistent as a matter of both practice AND law in the USA. Moreover, there are many who believe, as I do, that people have a right to try making a home wherever they are. Where immigration is a problem, it isn’t an immigration problem but rather a collapse of existing broken aspects of the society–the immigration pressure just brings these failings to light.
Complete nonsense. Countries have borders and if you cross into another country without the proper legal channels then you’re an illegal immigrant. It’s simple as that. Trying to circumnavigate immigration laws is very much a problem.
What constitutes a legal channel is not “simple” and you’re either being disingenuous or are wildly ignorant of the practical reality of immigration. Regardless, it also is totally reasonable to believe that “circumnavigating immigration laws” is very much a non-issue and by and large it is totally unimportant whether an immigrant is documented or not, as far as the state is concerned–if anything, the state, such that it is a unitary entity with its own interests, benefits from undocumented immigrants as they pay into the system and minimally draw out of it (this is also a bad thing, imo, but I suspect we disagree on why).
No, illegal not so much - but the system is fucking broken and it leaves a lot of situations ambiguous. Also the current regime is racial profiling so it doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen.
I can simultaneously support a better immigration process and system - and also say that illegality is illegality - BUT ALSO say that people should be treated like people and given the circumstances be afforded certain rights and procedures that are civil.
But we’re getting none of that and we need billionaires and corporations and current leadership to fear us.
This is such a Lemmy take. Even a child can comprehend why borders are a necessity. The world is an unequal place that’s filled with scarcity and malice. In order to protect your society’s social coherency, economic prosperity, and values, you have to enforce borders
The EU did stop to enforce internal borders. It lower inequality within the EU and made the rich members better off, by providign cheaper workers. There is a reason Brexit causes so many problems for the UK.
That is not to say that opening all borders overnight would not cause problems. It clearly would, but in the end the world would be a better place.
Ok. I’m not from the US and thought this was obvious. Is anyone in favor of undocumented or illegal immigrants? I thought the actual problem was deportations with no trials. It seems obvious no one should support illegal immigration. I think instead you should support allowing more people to inmigrate
Yes actually, i dont really give a crap who comes to our country as long as they aren’t violent (which is a moot point since most violent crime is perpetrated by citizens of said country). In the U.S. it’s extra ironic we dont want immigrants since we literally showed up here as immigrants and took the land from the Native Americans. We are all descendents of immigrants in this country.
Now, obviously, I cant get what I want, so I’d settle for reasonable immigration laws. But last time I checked getting citizenship in the U.S. can take as long as 20 years. In this administration, im sure its even harder to get citizenship if you aren’t a rich white racist fuckhead.
Yeah. They have 14 million undocumented immigrants currently. Like 4% of the population. A country like USA can sort of cope with that because they don’t have a heavy social security system like we tend to in Europe, but 4% is still quite a lot.
The problem is that system changes arbitrarily from one administration to the next, and people who thought they were protected suddenly find themselves unprotected, and then some clown comes along, and just starts throwing out people who thought they were safe for YEARS.
Even Ronald Reagan was able to come up with a fairly reasonable program to deal with the issue at the time, but the current MAGA Nazis literally take pleasure in oppressing people, and undocumented people are easy, low hanging fruit.
While you’re right, there’s still a big difference from legal immigrants who were granted temporary residence and illegal immigrants. The former were allowed into the country for a limited duration of time, but the latter weren’t allowed in the first place.
I see you took your idiot pills this morning.
There’s people that qualified for a process, then that process was suspended/ eligibility is changed etc etc etc.
“Illegal immigrants” basically all start as legal migrants working through the paperwork.
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There have been all sorts of asylum programs, DACA, pathways to citizenship, etc. Trump recently cancelled a program that was protecting 200,000 people from countries like Venezuela. Many people were recruited into the military with the false promise that serving in the military would protect them. Many, many people have legitimately thought they were here under the protection of one program or another, only to have it end, and replaced by a new one.
Now, even people with Green Cards, or even CITIZENSHIP, are being scrutinized. Even Birthright Citizenship is being questioned. Rubio today announced that they will remove passports of AMERICAN citizens who criticize the administration. It seems even actual American citizens aren’t even safe.
Just because the Conservative Propaganda Machine doesn’t tell you about it, and you are too ignorant to look into it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Stop thinking like a MAGA Nazi Traitor, and start thinking like an American.
Also Afghans who previously were fighting off the Taliban alongside US troops, had to get out and try getting asylum, but now seen as unwanted, to be cuffed by ICE and thrown back to Kabul to be possibly imprisoned or executed.
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It ia more nuanced than that. What makes immigration “illegal” is incredibly arbitrary and inconsistent as a matter of both practice AND law in the USA. Moreover, there are many who believe, as I do, that people have a right to try making a home wherever they are. Where immigration is a problem, it isn’t an immigration problem but rather a collapse of existing broken aspects of the society–the immigration pressure just brings these failings to light.
Complete nonsense. Countries have borders and if you cross into another country without the proper legal channels then you’re an illegal immigrant. It’s simple as that. Trying to circumnavigate immigration laws is very much a problem.
What constitutes a legal channel is not “simple” and you’re either being disingenuous or are wildly ignorant of the practical reality of immigration. Regardless, it also is totally reasonable to believe that “circumnavigating immigration laws” is very much a non-issue and by and large it is totally unimportant whether an immigrant is documented or not, as far as the state is concerned–if anything, the state, such that it is a unitary entity with its own interests, benefits from undocumented immigrants as they pay into the system and minimally draw out of it (this is also a bad thing, imo, but I suspect we disagree on why).
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You know, you could be both against Trump and his moronic politics AND support reasonable immigration laws. Shocking, I know.
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I’ll take the bait.
No, illegal not so much - but the system is fucking broken and it leaves a lot of situations ambiguous. Also the current regime is racial profiling so it doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen.
I can simultaneously support a better immigration process and system - and also say that illegality is illegality - BUT ALSO say that people should be treated like people and given the circumstances be afforded certain rights and procedures that are civil.
But we’re getting none of that and we need billionaires and corporations and current leadership to fear us.
Spot on
There is no bait. 100% agree
I’m in favor of fuck all borders.
This is such a Lemmy take. Even a child can comprehend why borders are a necessity. The world is an unequal place that’s filled with scarcity and malice. In order to protect your society’s social coherency, economic prosperity, and values, you have to enforce borders
The EU did stop to enforce internal borders. It lower inequality within the EU and made the rich members better off, by providign cheaper workers. There is a reason Brexit causes so many problems for the UK.
That is not to say that opening all borders overnight would not cause problems. It clearly would, but in the end the world would be a better place.
A lot of people in Lemmy want everything to burn down. They seem to think that bringing everything down to their level means victory.
Apparently that “innocent until proven guilty” was also a lie.
I need to stop reading. The fascists can’t allow rights that they can’t even read. The Constitution should have been written below a 6th grade level…
I had someone tell me “well. Innocent until proven guilty only applies for citizens. So proving that is on you”
I had someone say that too. That person is a former cop. But the 14th amendment very intentionally says “person”, not “citizen”.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv