Welcome to Utah; it’s the new Florida!
Patel right behind him like, “Man I wish it wasn’t one of us too.”
I honestly thought I was in /c/TheOnion
“For 33 hours, I was … I was praying that if this had to happen here, that it wouldn’t be one of us. That somebody drove from another state, somebody came from another country,” he said. “Sadly, that prayer was not answered the way I hoped for. Just because I thought it would make it easier on us if we could just say ‘Hey, we don’t do that here.’”
Now that you’ve had to admit, “Hey, we do do that here” what are you doing with that? Have you experienced any epiphanies?
Honestly, if he’d just left it at “another state,” I wouldn’t even be mad. I totally get wanting the degree of separation. But adding “another country” absolutely betrays his true thoughts. What a gross thing to admit.
How ugly that is to admit it out loud. What a fucking racist
The quote makes it seem a lot more understandable than the title makes it out to be imo
TBH - that’s exactly why I added the quote when I posted the article. But I still think it’s fucked up with the full context; just not as fucked up.
I mean, plenty of us were hoping the shooter wasn’t antifa, and that’s not so different.
Someone I could hate and justify that hatred against the Left…
Hell no. Their magic underwear keeps that from happening.
And throat slit vow
Throat slit vow?
Mormon temple ritual in which they move their hand across their lower stomach/bowels (not throat, sorry, it’s been a long time since I left Mormonism) and vow to spill the blood of enemies of the Mormon church
This is part of a ritual called “the endowment” which is required for every person to do if they want to get into the highest level of heaven, called “the Celestial Kingdom”. Someone who receives this endowment ritual (which is most practicing adult Mormons) is called “endowed”. This endowment ritual can only be performed inside a Mormon temple.
I’m an exmo as well, the gestures you’re talking about were removed in 1990, and it was never about vowing to spill the blood of enemies. It was about secrecy, framed in stark death-before-dishonor terms.
Your version is more metal and exciting, though.
What a fucking joke of a human
hes spencer cox, what you expect, hes the one that allowed GUNS ON CAMPUS in the first place.
Womp womp. I assume he’s a lot like the governor I have to deal with here in Missouri
any epiphanies
Clearly, we must thoughts and prayers even harder.
All these people keep on praying, but the whole time they forgot to think
sounds like tiffany the expensive jewelry chain.
I would’ve sworn this was an Onion headline. What an absolutely deranged piece of shit.
It would have been a perfectly acceptable thing to say (in my opinion) if he didn’t follow up by saying the suspected shooter certainly appears to be one of them.
The original statement makes sense that the person who’s job is to govern an area hoped it wasnt one of the people he represented.
Then when he made the second comment, it all fell apart because being one of them apparently meant they could still be a Utah resident. So he was only representing a subset of the Utah population, and therefore breaking his Oath of office.
one of them
This phrase appears to be written by the author of this article to refer to residents of Utah. It’s not part of the quote of what the governor said.
Yeah, I haven’t listened to him so it’s hard to tell tone, but hopefully he meant that it turned out to be a person from Utah and not referring to a person who isn’t MAGA
He definitely says “one of us”.
Yes. He doesn’t say “One of them.” There’s nothing wrong with “One of us” when “us” in this context is clearly “residents of Utah”.
What’s the opposite of “eating the onion?” Barfing it up?
Smelling rotten onion?
Just because I thought it would make it easier on us if we could just say ‘Hey, we don’t do that here.’”
In 2023 over 15,000 people were murdered with guns in the United States. You definitely do that there. You know you do. You’re very good at it, and you refuse to do anything about it. You have no compassion for the other victims, so to cry about how one of your own was at the receiving end is political theatre.
How many of those deaths are gang on gang violence?
In 2023, the majority of U.S. gun deaths were suicides (58%) and homicides (38%).
That’s pretty wild. But with over 400,000,000 guns in the USA it’s not going to stop anybody.
Not sure if this is serious or a bit. These were Kirk’s last words more or less
He was talking specifically about Utah when he said “here”. He even mentioned that the state was leading the nation in charitable donations. There was zero ambiguity.
The bulk of those “Charitable” contributions are “voluntary” contributions to the mormon church. Members must contribute 10% of their income plus a little extra just because in order to hold positions of leadership in the church, get married attend cult weddings and most importantly not go to hell.
The mormon church uses less than 1% of their funds for humanitarian needs. The other 99% is used to expand the hundreds of billions in hoarded wealth.
You won’t catch me singing their praises, I just wanted to point out this post and article is a really stupid hit piece.
The “charitable donations” are the community’s socially required tithes to the Mormon church.
Not exactly the same as everywhere else.
Nobody asked, I’m sure corporate tax write offs are no small part either, point is he was talking about Utah.
Cox is a fucking clown, a shameful excuse of a governor.
I grew up here, in the Mormon church, too (out for several years now). These are not the principles I was taught. This goes against every single thing that Jesus taught. Someone using their position of authority to parrot “god” is exactly the kind of person Jesus would have thrown out of his temple.
Someone using their position of authority to parrot “god” is exactly the kind of person that created Mormonism. The LDS church was literally born from this exact sort of thing.
You’re absolutely right, it goes completely against everything the Bible tries to teach, but somehow I don’t think that’s going to be a very big deal to them.
Yep, 100%. The entire Smith family were well-known con artists.
No scapegoat for you. Maybe try facing your moral and policy failures this time? No? Ok, keep praying to god. Maybe next time he’ll help you out with a black trans muslim shooter instead of yet another young white conservative dude.
i like how cox is tryting to avoid blaming the shooter , because hes a white straight ultra right male. cant be hurting a straight white maile voting base.
bullet casings with the phrases, “Hey fascists! Catch!” with an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows,
Boy was trying to call in a 500kg on the target.
I now say “calling a Charlie” in Helldivers when I need a 500kg. Or replace Charlie with Kirk, or a combination of the 2.
500 kirkagram
Weren’t we all hoping the same thing, that the shooter wouldn’t turn out to be a member of whatever group we identify as? I know I was.
Idk, I’m waiting for the left side to start fighting back. The right keeps bullying us.
Yes, but the difference is that he’s the governor of the state of Utah. He’s supposed to represent all the residents of his state. By choosing a side he alienates a significant portion of his populace for no apparent political gain or reason.
How do these clowns manage to put their shoes on?
What do you mean? That’s tradwife duties.
He means Mormons.
Unfortunately, they have a storied history of murder and violence.
Don’t forget Mountain Meadows, or the time they (probably) had the governor of Missouri assassinated, or the time they were ABSOLUTELY PLANNING to throw down with the Grand Army of the Republic before someone realized the Army had more men and materiel to prosecute a war with.
no… he laments he can’t blame a nonmormon.
Not exactly, he lamented that he couldn’t blame anybody not from Utah.
His talk was pretty decent except for this bizarre thing which is wierder the longer you think about it. I mean I sorta get it but man.
It’s pretty normal for a governor to say they wishes an act of terror hadn’t been committed by somebody living in their state. I think this makes us look shitty.
I have never heard a govenor express such sentiments. They often express the act had not happened in their state. Are you being sarcastic?
Uvalde, Texas - 2022 Robb Elementary School Shooting
“This was a young man that was from Uvalde. He was raised in Uvalde. This is not something that is—we’re not a big city. This is a city of 16,000 people. Most of the law enforcement, most of the people knew him… We’re a town that prays together, we’re a town that works together, and we’re a town that grieves together… It’s just hard to believe that somebody from our community would do this to our community.”
El Paso, Texas - 2019 Walmart Shooting
“We are Texans, and we will not be defined by this evil. We are defined by our love… This is not who we are. This is not Texas… We must unite against this evil. And we must remember that it is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to overcome our differences that divides us.”
Highland Park, Illinois - 2022 Parade Shooting
“I also want to add that we as a community, and I as a mayor, are reeling from the loss that we experienced yesterday. It’s a profound sense of grief. The shooter was from our community. He was a resident of our community. So we are all, as a community, grappling with the fact that this was one of our own.”
Dayton, Ohio - 2019 Oregon District Shooting
“The shooter was from Bellbrook. A graduate of Bellbrook High School. It is a very small community, very close to our community… It’s just so sad. The motivation is so confusing. And to have that kind of hatred in your heart, and to do that kind of violence in our community, is just a tragedy.”
Virginia Beach, Virginia - 2019 Municipal Center Shooting
“He was one of our own. And he turned on his own.”
Santa Fe, Texas - 2018 Santa Fe High School Shooting
“This is a local kid. He’s from our community… It’s just very difficult. We’re all feeling this. You know, these are our children. These are our friends’ children. These are our neighbors’ children, and it’s just a terrible day.”
San Bernardino, California - 2015 Terrorist Attack
“I think that after this, we have to look at the fact that, you know, this is a global issue. But it happened in our city. It was committed by people that lived in our city and in our region.”
Norway, 2011 attacks
“He grew up in our neighborhood, believed in the same God, and had the same skin color as the majority in this country. He was one of us.”
Not one of those says “I wish they had been from somewhere else.”
There’s a huge difference between “we have to acknowledge it was one of us” and “I wish they had been from somewhere else.”
One takes ownership of the failure of the society, the other cowardly tries to avoid the failure.
thanks because as I was reading I was thinking how to summarize this. Saying you are shocked it came from the community is fairly different than saying you had hoped that if something like this happened it was not somone from the community.
I think it’s less of a clean split than you’re making it. The statements I listed show both. Sometimes leaders stress, “he was one of our own,” sometimes they stress how “this is not who we are.” Neither is pure ownership nor pure cowardice; they’re rhetorical tools for different purposes: unity, deflection, grieving, or political cover.
If anything, the very fact that they have to insist “this isn’t us” suggests they’re already grappling with the same discomfort you’re pointing out. It’s just a more polite way of saying “we wish it had been someone else’s problem.”
Either way, it’s not coded anti-immigrant language.
