Do these “conservative professors” have masters degrees and teaching credentials? What subjects are they qualified to teach? If so where are they hiding? Do they have a resume? Are they responding to job adds?
So this will be one class separate from American history and political science I’m guessing. Would it be considered sociology? Or philosophy? Sounds more philosophical to me
They already exist. They’re usually found in law, business, or theology departments (though not all professors in those departments are conservatives). They also exist in departments that don’t require you to apply your critical thinking skills to social issues, such as maths, IT or engineering. You wouldn’t know whether your professors in those subjects are rightists, conservatives, liberals or leftists though, because politics doesn’t actually ever come up in classes that aren’t related to societal issues. The only way you’d find out is if a professor is obviously biased against women and/or minorities, which does happen sometimes. The people in the original post don’t care about any of this though, the outrage is the entire point and the truth doesn’t matter.
Hard to believe there’s that many around. I had an American history teacher in JC that taught the civil war from the “states rights “ perspective. He taught with his own book and his class did feel like attempted indoctrination. Even my math teachers were pretty obviously not facist from they jokes and general good humor ext… i just don’t think there’s a large amount of educated people so devout in their far far right ideology that they all of a sudden want to become professors of bullshit …but maybe
I’m not saying that there’s people who become professors to spread their conservative ideas. Just like how there aren’t really any people who become professors to spread their liberal ideas. Nobody would become, let alone remain, a professor if they used their platform to convince students of their ideology. What I’m saying is being highly educated in one area is absolutely not a guarantee you’ll become a leftist, or even a liberal. And there’s plenty of professors that will never share their political views, just how it should be. Some of them are certainly conservatives.
Engineering. Engineers are famously conservative. There’s a paper that broke down how non-white and non-male engineers were less conservative, and which types of engineers tended to skew which way, but a reader must remember that most engineers are white men.
I also read a paper (or maybe a book chapter?) a while back that discussed the fact that the way we teach engineering actively encourages people to become less socially conscious and more conservative. I can’t remember the name of the author, but I remember I found the paper/chapter from this video(total video is 33:52 in length and is a great watch if you’re a video person. However, the link is timestamped to the engineering bit that cites the paper/book I referenced)
I’ll never understand people who cannot understand the difference in language across different eras. Just because we know it’s offensive now doesn’t automatically default everyone who ever used it as being just as bad at all points in the past
We both agree that the term is seen as offensive now, but wasn’t in the past.
My point was that even someone as enlightened as Vonnegut had a blind spot. That goes to the idea of ‘conservative engineers’ who are probably just repeating things they were taught without thinking about it.
If you were taught about the “massacre” at Little Big Horn all your life, it’s hard to consider it from the other side.
And like many fields dominated by white men, they make it harder for non-white non-men to get in. I went to an engineering university (for math) and lived with my white male engineer friends. I watched one of them get into our very competitive grad school despite having bad grades, a late application, and no experience because all of his white professors liked that he wasn’t an Asian exchange student
I know anecdotes aren’t reality, but even on super liberal college campuses there’s still some pockets of right wing people
Do these “conservative professors” have masters degrees and teaching credentials? What subjects are they qualified to teach? If so where are they hiding? Do they have a resume? Are they responding to job adds?
What, are you telling me my doctorate from Prager U isn’t real?
It’s as real as their god.
They will teach the subjects of FREEDOM and FAMILY VALUES.
So this will be one class separate from American history and political science I’m guessing. Would it be considered sociology? Or philosophy? Sounds more philosophical to me
They will call it “Freedomology” and you will like it.
If you dislike it, you will be taken away and reeducated until you like it.
They already exist. They’re usually found in law, business, or theology departments (though not all professors in those departments are conservatives). They also exist in departments that don’t require you to apply your critical thinking skills to social issues, such as maths, IT or engineering. You wouldn’t know whether your professors in those subjects are rightists, conservatives, liberals or leftists though, because politics doesn’t actually ever come up in classes that aren’t related to societal issues. The only way you’d find out is if a professor is obviously biased against women and/or minorities, which does happen sometimes. The people in the original post don’t care about any of this though, the outrage is the entire point and the truth doesn’t matter.
Hard to believe there’s that many around. I had an American history teacher in JC that taught the civil war from the “states rights “ perspective. He taught with his own book and his class did feel like attempted indoctrination. Even my math teachers were pretty obviously not facist from they jokes and general good humor ext… i just don’t think there’s a large amount of educated people so devout in their far far right ideology that they all of a sudden want to become professors of bullshit …but maybe
I’m not saying that there’s people who become professors to spread their conservative ideas. Just like how there aren’t really any people who become professors to spread their liberal ideas. Nobody would become, let alone remain, a professor if they used their platform to convince students of their ideology. What I’m saying is being highly educated in one area is absolutely not a guarantee you’ll become a leftist, or even a liberal. And there’s plenty of professors that will never share their political views, just how it should be. Some of them are certainly conservatives.
In a less polarized time that was probably true but where were at now you literally have to deny facts to be “conservative “
Alumni of the schools of hard knocks, common sense and Jaysus Chrahst.
Ah yes the school of white privilege and having to exist in a world with diversity “hard knocks”
Cousin Merle, recipient of the prestigious Joseph McCarthy professorship for Chucking Beer Cans Behind the Shed
Engineering. Engineers are famously conservative. There’s a paper that broke down how non-white and non-male engineers were less conservative, and which types of engineers tended to skew which way, but a reader must remember that most engineers are white men.
I also read a paper (or maybe a book chapter?) a while back that discussed the fact that the way we teach engineering actively encourages people to become less socially conscious and more conservative. I can’t remember the name of the author, but I remember I found the paper/chapter from this video(total video is 33:52 in length and is a great watch if you’re a video person. However, the link is timestamped to the engineering bit that cites the paper/book I referenced)
Think of it this way. Kurt Vonnegut was, by pretty much any standards, “woke” as hell.
Because he was a product of his times, he used the phrase “Mongoloid idiot” for Down’s Syndrome because that was the proper scientific term.
I’ll never understand people who cannot understand the difference in language across different eras. Just because we know it’s offensive now doesn’t automatically default everyone who ever used it as being just as bad at all points in the past
I’m not sure if you’re praising or condemning me.
We both agree that the term is seen as offensive now, but wasn’t in the past.
My point was that even someone as enlightened as Vonnegut had a blind spot. That goes to the idea of ‘conservative engineers’ who are probably just repeating things they were taught without thinking about it.
If you were taught about the “massacre” at Little Big Horn all your life, it’s hard to consider it from the other side.
I’m agreeing with you and just kind of generally rambling about the people who would be mad at Vonnegut in your post.
Kinda like the people upset that huckleberry finn has the n word in it
And like many fields dominated by white men, they make it harder for non-white non-men to get in. I went to an engineering university (for math) and lived with my white male engineer friends. I watched one of them get into our very competitive grad school despite having bad grades, a late application, and no experience because all of his white professors liked that he wasn’t an Asian exchange student
I know anecdotes aren’t reality, but even on super liberal college campuses there’s still some pockets of right wing people