I am totally supporting developers wanting to make money with their product.
But the developer of Photopea has basically built a product for people who want to get rid of Adobe’s stupid subscription model and now he tries to force them to pay for his own subscription by breaking the application. That really doesn’t sit right with me.
Why would I need to pay 8€/month for image editing features that run in my browser?
It also doesn’t help that he went on Github and complained to the developers of uBlock Origin, replying with troll answers like “How can I help you?” but not wanting to accept any other answer than them allowing him to serve ads.
This guy can get rekt, in my humble opinion. I did like the product before this change, though. Does anyone know of similar image editors out there that can batch-crop images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then export them to webp? (GIMP is terrible, sorry 🥹)
I don’t really understand why you’re using ad-supported proprietary software that you’ve never paid a dime for (or given a dime to, since you use uBO), claiming that you don’t use GIMP or Krita instead because the former “is terrible” and the latter isn’t meant for cropping (a trivial, fundamental feature of the software), and then acting entitled to use the Photopea author’s own personal work with zero compensation. So you have free alternatives (as in beer and as in freedom), refuse to do even the bare minimum to learn how to use them, and then go full “you took my only food; now I’m gonna starve” when Photopea’s author stops you from using their own site/web app for free that they run and maintain at their own expense.
If anything, you seem entitled and willfully ignorant, and I say that from the perspective of someone who resents digital advertising and proprietary software.
If anything, you seem entitled and willfully ignorant
I understand why people might think that. As I’ve said in another comment, it’s the attitude of the developer that mildly infuriates me. I am not against paying money for a good product and I would’ve even paid the subscription, if 1. it wasn’t so high (96€/year for a tool processing images in your own browser) and 2. he wasn’t such a dick on Github to people.
I know developers need to put food on the table, but then they should at least be honest about that. Going into the uBlock Github and trolling people there while claiming you “always supported ad blockers” isn’t the right way and I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.
Also, some people don’t seem to grasp that I’m not actually processing images for free on the developers’ infrastructure. The image processing is done via Javascript on my own machine. So all I’m doing is loading the website initially, it’s not like I’m taking money out of the devs’ pocket by blocking his ads. Added to that, the site worked fine for many years, why do you need to put an aggressive Adblock detection in now? It’s a cat and mouse game against uBlock and he must know he will never win this game.
Of course, it’s his own tool and he can do whatever he wants with it, but it’s still shitty to do it.
After all, you’re right, I’ve decided to give tools like GIMP another chance. The problem for me is that I used Photoshop for many years (that’s what I learned when I was attending art school, blame the system) and moving away to another tool like GIMP is a lot of work, because it works very differently. I learned there are plugins for easing the transition and I’ll find another tool.
then acting entitled to use the Photopea author’s own personal work with zero compensation.
Running batch tasks on the Photopea author’s own infrastructure because Photopea is a website. Lichtmetzger wrote in a reply that he’s not using Photopea to edit a photo once in a while and now he’s bummed out (I would kinda understand that) but that he’s actually processing a big number of images on someone else’s resources.
The images get processed in your own browser. The only infrastructure I’m using is the bit of Javascript and HTML I am loading when accessing the site, the rest is handled by my own machine.
The only infrastructure I’m using is the bit of Javascript and HTML
If Photopea was so simple, you could just download the necessary parts and self-host.
This won’t work because there is actual server-side code running, meaning you’re hogging someone else’s resources to do your commercial-grade tasks.
This won’t work because there is actual server-side code running
That is not true! You can figure that out for yourself - open up the site, disconnect your internet and resize/crop some images. It will do it just fine, because all of that code runs in your own browser.
I’m confused what your issue is with the dev. He seems to have posted because uBO was breaking the site for premium users and then got told “just stop monetizing effectively.” Only one reply (don’t use such an obnoxious way to insert the ad sidebar) was actually helpful, though it was at odds with part of his monetization strategy (pay for Premium to get that extra space).
If uBO devs had said “Sure, give this account premium access and we’ll check it out” and he’d refused, that would be different, but instead they said there was nothing he could do to help them and banned him from participating.
It also doesn’t seem that he’s intentionally breaking the app when uBO is in use. Rather, uBO breaks the app when ads aren’t being served and he is now detecting when this happens and serving a message about the fact.
Does anyone know of similar image editors out there that can batch-crop images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then export them to webp?
Not similar, but Image Magick can crop images from the cli and has webp support.
He’s making it purposely hard to block the ads. The side effect of that is that it’s hard to block the ad without breaking the website itself.
The way I read it, he was making it hard to remove the empty sidebar after blocking the ads in it.
GIMP is terrible, sorry
Its actually not, but if you really hate the interface then try photogimp
Believe me, the interface isn’t the problem with GIMP, and there are definitely problems.
there are definitely problems.
Of course there are but the claim was that Lichtmetzger only needs to crop a bunch of images and Gimp is 100% capable of that and I say that as someone who can’t stand Gimp any longer and moved to Krita and others.
Alright, yeah, that’s fair, as long as those images don’t have alpha components at least.
GIMP isn’t terrible. You’re just used to doing things a certain way and GIMP does it differently.
That’s true, I was working with Photoshop for many years and it’s hard to unlearn that.
Maybe I’ll give it another chance.What’s mildly infuriating is that Photopea makes this so easy and now I need to adjust my workflow again. Why do so many devs out there need to enshittify their product after a few years? :(
People want you get paid for their work?
Then they should sell the product for a one-time fee, not a fucking subscription.
Blame Adobe for setting the norm. If you don’t want to pay a sub or see ads or anything then there are options.
There’s also plugins to bring a photoshop-esque UI to GIMP if that will help with your muscle memory.
Oh, that’s nice! I still remember Gimpshop but it’s been dead for years. But I see now that there’s at least PhotoGIMP, that’ll really help me out.
You really angered some people here lol!
He’s not forcing you into a subscription model, he wants you to either allow ads or go to a subscription model.
You don’t need to pay 8 Euro a month, you just need to allow the ads.
It’s not broken to prevent ad blockers, we all got used to a system that wasn’t sustainable, and now we’re seeing what is actually required for sites and apps to survive.
I wouldn’t mind paying a few cents, but 8€ is way more than what he could possibly get out of the ads.
I wish a system like Flattr or even BAT could take off. Paying a few dollars a month to not get ads anywhere in a sustainable way seems like the way to go.
(Note: I seem to remember shady stuff about the BAT token but I do not know the details. Don’t incendiate me on that).
I think you’re taking heat a little bit unfairly. This is, after all, the MILDLY infuriating community, and it can be a hassle when something stops working for you, even if it’s perfectly reasonable for it to happen.
I think you’re taking heat a little bit unfairly.
Most of it seems to come from one user who seems to hate me in particular. :D But it’s fun to start a controversial topic once in a while. At least I’m not getting banned for having a different opinion (which would’ve definitely happened on Reddit).
Krita works well for me
It’s nice but I need something simple for cropping images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then exporting it to webp. I think Krita isn’t the right tool for that.
Edit: Alright, I deserve the downvotes. I didn’t mention I need to do this in batch for multiple images.
gimp, pix.
It’s nice but I need something simple for cropping images in a certain aspect ratio/resolution and then exporting it to webp. I think Krita isn’t the right tool for that.
If you have trouble cropping and exporting under Krita, maybe using computers isn’t the right thing for you. It’s literally a single mouse click on this icon:
maybe using computers isn’t the right thing for you
Sir, this isn’t Reddit. Calm down. :) And now tell me how to batch-crop and export multiple images as .webp, if it’s doable in Krita. Because I don’t know how.
Yeah krita definitely isn’t the right tool for bulk jobs. You might want to look into learning to use imagemagick’s command line tools, they’re pretty much the gold standard for bulk image tasks
Calm down.
Why would I be not calm? I’m not the one getting nervous at looking at other alternatives.
And now tell me how to batch-crop and export multiple images as .webp
https://imagemagick.org/script/command-line-processing.php
Use the right tool for the job instead of complaining.
Bro why you being mad cringe try just suggesting things instead of being a dick
If something was previously the right tool for the job, then, despite no apparent changes in the behavior of the user, is intentionally broken by the creator of the tool and is no longer suitable - that is absolutely, 100% worth complaining about.
IMHO.
Thank you, that’s my opinion as well. I know developers need to put food on the table, but then they should at least be honest about that. Going into the uBlock Github and trolling people there while claiming you “always supported ad blockers” isn’t the right way and I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.
I am not financially supporting developers who act like this.
You were not financially supporting the developers before either. You admitted that you do frequent batch processing of many images on their infrastructure. If anything, losing you as a user is saving them money.
that is absolutely, 100% worth complaining about.
So commercial-grade batch processing of images on other people’s infrastructure and dodging any form of compensation is 100% worth complaining about? OK.
Doesn’t photopea run locally?
I’m not the one getting nervous at looking at other alternatives.
I am not nervous, I am mildly infuriated. There are other tools and I will learn them.
Use the right tool for the job
imagemagick certainly isn’t the right tool for batch-cropping, unless the cropped area is always in the same place (I need a visual representation before cropping and a commandline tool doesn’t cut it here). But thank you for at least trying to suggest an actual solution instead of patronizing me.
You could try Irfanview. Its not FOSS and its at a cost if this is a commercial thing
So many douchebags in this thread.
Gimp 3 is awesome now, and 100% free + no ads. Just sayin
are you sure it’s not a specific ublock filter or something? i accessed it in librewolf with the default ublock origin settings and it looked fine.
“Something is breaking Photopea” ??? Yeah it’s yourselves.
Not sure if this lie is allowed under the EU DSA law.
Works fine for me, Firefox and Ublock Origin, DNS by PiHole. I think there’s something on your machine causing this.
Hol up Photopea’s nonfree software?!
nonfree as in with ads and not freedom
Works in brave normally.
Oh damn, I just used it a couple of days ago. I’ll check later this week if I am still able to use it with uBO.
Guess I won’t be using photopea anymore
The comma in “please, turn them off” is infuratiating in ways I cant even articulate
cant
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It’s 100% grammatically correct, for what it’s worth. If it helps, swap the two comma-separated components: “Turn them off, please.”
I think it’s the condescending insinuation
This is what I meant. See: cant even articulate.
The infuriating part for me is “something is breaking Photopeia”, an euphemism for “we break Photopeia if you block ads”.
Brave + ublock origin + pihole. No issues whatsoever loading/using photopea.
What I am hearing is that you don’t feel like my man should receive any monetary support for a slick and convenient web application he invested a ton of time into. Not something I would gripe about online, but you do you.
Nobody wants random crap, trackers, spyware, and other garbage.
If photpea wanted to curate their ads, it might be different. Maybe they could even have an artists gallery or subscription to advertise for their heavy users.
But nobody in their right mind is going to stop blocking the major ad domians. Because that would just be stupid.
That said: I don’t even use photopea, they don’t have anything I want or need that I can’t just install locally anyways, which also is free and guess what No ads.
I am not paying another high subscription (yes, 96€/year is high for some people) for a tool that processes images locally, no.
That attitude has worked out fine in my life so far.
I am not paying another high subscription (yes, 96€/year is high for some people) for a tool that processes images locally, no.
Then self-host a tool you need for your commercial-grade tasks.
commercial-grade
Today I’ve learned that cropping five images in a row is “commercial-grade”. Sure…
Self-hosting is a good idea, though, if I can find some useful software in that field. See, despite all of the trolling you are actually giving me good advice. I don’t know if it’s intentional, but thanks nonetheless.
Today I’ve learned that cropping five images in a row is “commercial-grade”. Sure…
Today I’ve learned that you cannot use Krita to crop manually because you’re cropping waaay to many images and absolutely need batch processing but you also cannot self-host anything because “it’s only 5 images, man”.
Self-hosting is a good idea, though, if I can find some useful software in that field.
- *types bulk image crop site:github.com into search engine*
- *finds a bunch*
Huh…
