With reports that the witnesses in today’s murder by ICE were all detained (and their phones presumably confiscated), I’ve been thinking nonstop about if I were to record ICE or the cops doing something, how could I ensure that any videos I record are not able to be deleted, assuming my phone was confiscated? I’m talking about specific tactics.

My phone runs iOS. I already have a strong passcode which hopefully makes brute forcing difficult. I use ADP and the only thing I back up automatically are photos and videos. In theory, I think my setup is fairly secure, since it would be hard to get into my phone or my iCloud account. But I don’t know what vulnerabilities or tools I may be missing.

I’m asking for iOS, but I think it’s good to discuss Android and GrapheneOS as well.

    • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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      set up the cloud app of your choice to upload automatically as soon as the files come in. i’d recommend anything from outside the jurisdiction you are protesting against, just in case. ideal scenario is a trusted party has access.

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    Set up syncthing on your phone and whatever other device (laptop/pc/another phone at home/etc). Point it to your photos/videos folder and sync to your device at home(or friend’s house). If your phone is confiscated and they manage to get it deleted from the cloud, you’ll have a copy on your device. Make sure you enable settings like trashcan or versioning so the files deleted on your phone aren’t auto deleted on the device.

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      This. One-way sync to a home server/NAS or secure cloud storage that is not logged into on your phone (e.g. if you sync to NAS or a cloud service, don’t be logged in on other apps/web).

      if your phone is taken while filming, it Won’t upload until it’s done recording. The agents will probably hit stop, then delete. you’d have to do some testing to see if that will stop the sync.

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        if you sync to NAS or a cloud service, don’t be logged in on other apps/web

        what?

        The agents will probably hit stop, then delete.

        I don’t think there will be a reliable work around for this. It will take a while to upload anyway.

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          what?

          If you’re one-way syncing your camera files to Dropbox for safe keeping, you don’t want to leave a way for them to access Dropbox.

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    Take a burner and live stream. Do not keep any sensitive info or log into anything other than the live streaming platform.

    If you have your personal phone on you TURN IT OFF when law enforcement is nearby. The most secure state for your phone is before you unlock it after it boots up. The first unlock decrypts it and makes it much more vulnerable.

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        Twitch.tv is most peoples preffered option. Theyre corporate, so i would be surprised if violence doesnt violate their tos, but i see protest livestreams all the time so idk. It also automatically saves a video of your livestream for two weeks iirc

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          Ugh. That’s the best option I’ve been able to find, but I really don’t trust Amazon to not just immediately roll over for the feds.

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    if you want to be really super sure then you live stream the video. That’s how it was done at occupy.

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    Auto upload to a remote location (e.g. VPS), ideally somewhere out of the country to really minimise chances of deletion. Could also have it auto upload to several places. You’ll need good enough internet connection to upload it though, so if they’re using signal jammers at a protest that could be a problem.

    In terms of preventing deletion on the phone itself, you can’t really stop them from “losing” your phone, even if they can’t get into it.

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    There is a deep setting on iOS for full encryption of everything. It can make it harder to retrieve your things if you forget your password but that’s exactly what you want here.

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      Also, on top of other great ideas. Make sure iCloud sync is on, low battery isn’t, and it should sync if it is topped up enough

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        OP mentioned having ADP and automatic backups enabled and I believe iCloud sync uploads photos continuously. The biggest risk is as you say battery saving and if it will upload data over mobile data (should be a setting for that).

        Further than that I would say the big question is if someone else would actually be able to access the data if OP is detained… and of course https://xkcd.com/538/ (I don’t think the random chuds in ICE would have the know how for any technical bypass)

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    Auto upload to cloud that someone bas access to. Even Google photos with shared partners will automatically download your partners auto uploaded videos and photos. This should be more than enough until nazis take full control.

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    If your phone is confiscated, you can’t count on getting it back. Upload the video to a server or another nearby machine (maybe another phone) as you shoot it. There are apps for that purpose of course.

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      My videos already sync to iCloud. My concern is if the cops were to get into my phone, they could just go to the Photos app and delete it from the device and my iCloud account.

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        Disable faceID and secure your phone with a strong alphanumeric pin (which can include spaces to make it easy to remember) of at least thirty characters before going into any sort of situation where you know henchmen will be.

        If henchmen get the drop on you and you’re not prepared, then ideally keep a six-digit pin at all times. It’ll be easier to get into, but it’ll still take them lots of work.

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            I’m not so sure this is the case, at least not trivially, but I’m no pro. There’s a reason the feds sued Apple trying to get them to unlock that one guy’s phone. Same goes for Android, the most important part is not using biometrics (face, fingerprint) and set a 6 digit pin (or whatever max it allows for).

            Before going somewhere hot like a protest, make sure the screen locks automatically when you click power off button, and screen timeout to minimum. Make sure beforehand that your phone has device encryption turned on.

            If you use something like google drive or whatever, make it auto-upload your photos/videos, and rather take many shorter videos than one long one, if you find it too technical to set up syncthing or similar, so finished film gets uploaded in the background while you take new one.

            Instant screen lock is the most important I think, that way if the pigs come for you, just click the power button and your chances of keeping the vid are pretty solid. Oh, set “automatically backup over data” also, often by default it just does over wifi.

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    Lots of discussion around encryption states at boot / disabling FaceID

    For iOS, Invoking the shutdown dialog (Lock+Volume) or activating Emergency Mode (Lock 5x Fast) puts the device into a “Lockdown” state where FaceID no longer works, PIN authentication is the only means to unlock the device.

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      This isn’t realistically helpful. The cops will just smash your phone. OP didn’t ask how to keep cops from accessing their video; they asked how to keep cops from deleting/destroying video.

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      For iOS (and I believe android), triggering an emergency call by hitting the lock button a bunch of times of times also disables faced/touchid

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    Keeping a live stream going on a burner phone is a good idea, removing biometrics and identifying information from main phone where possible, remote backup to a different location (preferably 1-way) keeping them both in the fully off locked state when not in use. Burner phone should only have your livestream/1-way backup passwords, nothing else. I hope you don’t have to experience this, but better safe than sorry

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    set up a local VPN on your NAS/file server and add your phone to the VPN. Next, map a local drive on your phone to the NAS. Dunno if you can do that on iOS, but at least on android you can. Disable modify and delete permissions on the NAS folder, so that the phone can only write/read from it, then use a camera app that lets you choose the save location and set it to record video to the network drive. Requires a pretty solid connection, but is extremely robust.

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      map a local drive on your phone to the NAS

      how do I do this on android? NFS never seemed to work for me on android.