I would like to add - fuck those managers that try to make scheduling issues around your sick days your problem. Over the last few years, I’ve heard of more and more jobs where the manager expects you, the sick person, to find coverage for your shift in order to call out. That is, you’re expected to call around your coworkers and find someone who will work your shift for you… yes, even if you’ve got no voice or are busy puking your brains out. Somehow, this practice has become prevalent in some jobs in the US. I worry about the younger workers who accept this as normal. It is not normal, and should never be normal!
The manager is paid to manage the employees - including finding coverage when someone’s sick. If you ever find yourself in a job where a manager tries to make you find your replacement before “permitting” you to call out, GTFO out of there! It’s a fucked up practice and sane employers don’t pull that shit.
(For all the Europeans reading - yes, this is real. Yes, we need better labor laws.)
I’m a school bus driver in the US (Teamsters union). Our monthly dues are about $90 and we’re finding it difficult to get new drivers to join because of that. Our district is surrounded by non-unionized districts where they make about $8 less an hour and get none of the benefits we get, which include subsidized health insurance and a pension after ten years. We’re OK for now but if our union membership ever drops below 50% of the drivers our contract will be voided and then we’ll find out how shitty it is to not be represented by a union. But I can’t get the new drivers to understand this; the anti-union propaganda for the last fifty years hear (really, for a lot longer than that) has just been too overwhelming.
They make $8 more per hour, but are getting hung up on $90/month union dues? They do know that the difference alone would pay for that in like 12 hours, right?
I dunno if school bus drivers are public workers or not… If they are, the Supreme Court ruled a few years back that they don’t even need to pay full dues, even if they are part of the collective bargaining unit and are receiving all of the benefits of contract that was fully negotiated by the union.
It’s annoying, but it’s there. If they’re public employees, they don’t even need to pay full dues
They make $8 more per hour, but are getting hung up on $90/month union dues? They do know that the difference alone would pay for that in like 12 hours, right?
They actually are so bad at math that they don’t know that.
I dunno if school bus drivers are public workers or not… If they are, the Supreme Court ruled a few years back that they don’t even need to pay full dues, even if they are part of the collective bargaining unit and are receiving all of the benefits of contract that was fully negotiated by the union.
Yes, they get the benefits of the union-negotiated contract even if they are not in the union themselves. But as I mentioned, that contract is negated if the union membership drops below 50%.
This perfectly shows what’s wrong in this country (and many part of the world).
People not paying the dues still get the benefits. Personally they save money by not being a member, while benefitting from those that do. But if enough people think like that then the benefits vanish. Our society is just propped up by the majority (sometimes just a few) that understand that and do things for the collective good. But the portion of people doing that is decreasing as we become strangers with people around us.
Exactly the same thing happening everywhere. People are individualistic, they see benefits if they’re the only one doing something. But they don’t see how if everyone does what they did, everyone will end up in a far worse situation.
I wanted to explain this with an example to some people and they just blew it off saying it doesn’t make sense. The example is below:
If you had a button in front of you that gives you a million dollars if you press it (but only once in your life), but takes one dollar from everyone in the world. Now it might be very tempting to press that button. And if you do, you’re +1million dollars. Problem is, if everyone else also press their button, then you’re -8billion dollars. Even if 0.1 percent press that button you’re negative. But if we give this button to everyone, people will press it. And we reach a cycle where even the people that didn’t press it in the beginning will press it once they lose significant money because that’s the way way to at least recover something for themselves. So everyone loses.
I feel like this is how a lot of business models are working right now, they give you that button, and ask you $1000 for that button. You take it, you make a million. The world lost 8 billion into the void. You recover your 1000 and a lot more. And then someone else does it, you’re still positive. More and more people do it, the business is the only one making money. But as 1000s of people do it, you start to panic, then you get all the people that took advantage of it together, try to bribe the business so they stop selling the button to more people.
People not paying the dues still get the benefits. Personally they save money by not being a member, while benefitting from those that do. But if enough people think like that then the benefits vanish.
That is literally the point.
That’s why that specific case went to SCOTUS, and that’s why SCOTUS ruled the way they did.
I would like to add - fuck those managers that try to make scheduling issues around your sick days your problem. Over the last few years, I’ve heard of more and more jobs where the manager expects you, the sick person, to find coverage for your shift in order to call out. That is, you’re expected to call around your coworkers and find someone who will work your shift for you… yes, even if you’ve got no voice or are busy puking your brains out. Somehow, this practice has become prevalent in some jobs in the US. I worry about the younger workers who accept this as normal. It is not normal, and should never be normal!
The manager is paid to manage the employees - including finding coverage when someone’s sick. If you ever find yourself in a job where a manager tries to make you find your replacement before “permitting” you to call out, GTFO out of there! It’s a fucked up practice and sane employers don’t pull that shit.
(For all the Europeans reading - yes, this is real. Yes, we need better labor laws.)
gtfo and maybe start a couple fires on your way to the door
Labor conditions in the USA are so fucked up. Join a union, you need collective action to make changes.
I’m a school bus driver in the US (Teamsters union). Our monthly dues are about $90 and we’re finding it difficult to get new drivers to join because of that. Our district is surrounded by non-unionized districts where they make about $8 less an hour and get none of the benefits we get, which include subsidized health insurance and a pension after ten years. We’re OK for now but if our union membership ever drops below 50% of the drivers our contract will be voided and then we’ll find out how shitty it is to not be represented by a union. But I can’t get the new drivers to understand this; the anti-union propaganda for the last fifty years hear (really, for a lot longer than that) has just been too overwhelming.
They make $8 more per hour, but are getting hung up on $90/month union dues? They do know that the difference alone would pay for that in like 12 hours, right?
I dunno if school bus drivers are public workers or not… If they are, the Supreme Court ruled a few years back that they don’t even need to pay full dues, even if they are part of the collective bargaining unit and are receiving all of the benefits of contract that was fully negotiated by the union.
It’s annoying, but it’s there. If they’re public employees, they don’t even need to pay full dues
They actually are so bad at math that they don’t know that.
Yes, they get the benefits of the union-negotiated contract even if they are not in the union themselves. But as I mentioned, that contract is negated if the union membership drops below 50%.
This perfectly shows what’s wrong in this country (and many part of the world).
People not paying the dues still get the benefits. Personally they save money by not being a member, while benefitting from those that do. But if enough people think like that then the benefits vanish. Our society is just propped up by the majority (sometimes just a few) that understand that and do things for the collective good. But the portion of people doing that is decreasing as we become strangers with people around us.
Exactly the same thing happening everywhere. People are individualistic, they see benefits if they’re the only one doing something. But they don’t see how if everyone does what they did, everyone will end up in a far worse situation.
I wanted to explain this with an example to some people and they just blew it off saying it doesn’t make sense. The example is below:
If you had a button in front of you that gives you a million dollars if you press it (but only once in your life), but takes one dollar from everyone in the world. Now it might be very tempting to press that button. And if you do, you’re +1million dollars. Problem is, if everyone else also press their button, then you’re -8billion dollars. Even if 0.1 percent press that button you’re negative. But if we give this button to everyone, people will press it. And we reach a cycle where even the people that didn’t press it in the beginning will press it once they lose significant money because that’s the way way to at least recover something for themselves. So everyone loses.
I feel like this is how a lot of business models are working right now, they give you that button, and ask you $1000 for that button. You take it, you make a million. The world lost 8 billion into the void. You recover your 1000 and a lot more. And then someone else does it, you’re still positive. More and more people do it, the business is the only one making money. But as 1000s of people do it, you start to panic, then you get all the people that took advantage of it together, try to bribe the business so they stop selling the button to more people.
That is literally the point.
That’s why that specific case went to SCOTUS, and that’s why SCOTUS ruled the way they did.
They want to snuff out public unions.
Guillotines, even for the low level tyrants.
Caskets with flesh-eating worms for them!