Allowed implies that you have a choice in the matter. The choice was made for you, though. You follow a particular doctrine as closely as possible. If the big man approves, you go up. Otherwise, down. There is no choosing allowed, except in your dilemma between instinct and faith. You may choose to police your reactions via the authority of your faith. That’s still not a choice on where you go after death, though. It’s a leap of faith toward a hypothetical predetermined outcome.
One could never be the perfect follower and also choose to go down. That was never part of the arrangement.
no choice if you go down but im not sure about the up. Supposedly everyone who went up could not get in till jesus died so they bummed around the entrance or such. guess it depends on if your dealing with the one that has limbo and purgatory or not.
all depends on flavor and individual. This was the catholic thing and I assume still is. No one can go to heaven if they have sin and christ cleansed the sins of the world by being an uber sacrifice. it gets crazy. you need baptism to get rid of original sin so supposedly in middle or dark ages or whatever if they found a baby abandoned they would baptize it and leave to make sure it would be ok.
isn’t it more your allowed in.
Allowed implies that you have a choice in the matter. The choice was made for you, though. You follow a particular doctrine as closely as possible. If the big man approves, you go up. Otherwise, down. There is no choosing allowed, except in your dilemma between instinct and faith. You may choose to police your reactions via the authority of your faith. That’s still not a choice on where you go after death, though. It’s a leap of faith toward a hypothetical predetermined outcome.
One could never be the perfect follower and also choose to go down. That was never part of the arrangement.
lol, can you imagine atheists being forced into heaven?
no choice if you go down but im not sure about the up. Supposedly everyone who went up could not get in till jesus died so they bummed around the entrance or such. guess it depends on if your dealing with the one that has limbo and purgatory or not.
How interesting, I figured heaven was in some way believed to be beyond time. There should be no such before and after, unless I am mistaken.
all depends on flavor and individual. This was the catholic thing and I assume still is. No one can go to heaven if they have sin and christ cleansed the sins of the world by being an uber sacrifice. it gets crazy. you need baptism to get rid of original sin so supposedly in middle or dark ages or whatever if they found a baby abandoned they would baptize it and leave to make sure it would be ok.