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You have to add “Thoughts &” for the prayers to be effective
I grew up in the church, they will tell you that since a human(s) eradicated a disease, it was clearly god that worked through them. They always have a workaround bullshit answer
exactly, that’s why arguments like the one in this meme doesn’t work
No rationale argument works on the irrational. The goal is to plant the seeds of rational thought. To appeal to people who aren’t completely gone, yet. The meme works perfectly fine.
see, the thing is, they are not irrational. their logic (god works through humans) is completely self-consistent, they are just basing their logic on a different set of fundamentals than us. you can say that they are not scientific, you then would be completely correct. but they are not irrational, and that’s the difficult part of changing people’s mind.
And a lot of the scientists are atheists, so it clearly doesn’t matter if they believe in god.
If that means those idiots at least get vaccinated then I will take that.
They can’t see a bad guy without trying to be them.
This is also true when Epsteiner auctions off a 13 year old
Yeah the omnipotent God bullshit breaks when a rainstorm floods a girls camp and kills a bunch of them. But then they claim the devil did it, or even victim blame in a creepy and fucked up way wondering if they were really pure Christians or not, or if there’s some mysterious upside or lesson.
I mean if we accept the hypothesis that God exists, and that he created humans, he created them with a reason.
Sure, but the logic reveals literally nothing. I can create an entire Sims world for the sole reason to see if the “turn pink clothing in to green clothing” mod works. Does the fact that their existence had a reason actually mean a damn thing?
If God exists, I reckon we are a high school simulation project that he forgot and accidentally left running.
That reason? Kill off every living thing god created.
But didn’t he create it all for us though? Which then becomes a good excuse for us to consume it all.
I mean, we’re supposed to be stewards according to the teachings, but all those dumbass children hear is, “hey this is yours …” and just kinda space off the rest of everything said…
Given that that were true; their god also created the disease and is responsible for all the suffering. Their god is still at a net negative.
So existence is a net negative in your book? I’m fairly pessimistic but that seems somewhat extreme.
Fucking-eh, he made every calamity that has befallen man, yet the shits still think it’s a “good” plan.
Oh, when you look at miracles, they do heal a lot! Some of it is even scientifically proven IIRC. Human mind is a funny thing.
But in all cases, faith works on small scale, and quite often simply individual. So yeah…not even a start to science.
look, I’m not bothered by your faith as long as you (religious people) keep it to yourselfs. The issue is using this, which is YOUR belief, as excuse to deny science? as is happening around the world.
There’s no way to scientifically measure faith or miracles as you’re describing. Saying “miracles do heal a lot” is an absurdly meaningless statement.
On the other hand, there is some evidence that people don’t work as hard at their own recovery when they believe people are praying for them, so believing in mumbo jumbo can actually hurt you.
The placebo effect is scientific and real. It’s so well established that when they are testing medicines they test them against placebo and track the placebo healing rates, because the drug needs to statistically heal better than the placebo healed.
Don’t breed.
But in all cases, faith works on small scale
so you’re saying it’s not statistically significant then? makes sense, most farces aren’t
I mean, true. But at worst, faith worsk as a placebo, forcing our minds and bodies to fight harder for some unkown reason. At best, there were unexplainable cases. May as well assume it’s faith until proven otherwise.
In all cases, statistically insignificant xD
But at worst, faith worsk as a placebo
No. At worst faith will be the reason a parent don’t bring their child to an actual doctor, which causes unnecessary suffering or death of an innocent child. Faith should be countered everywhere and every time.
Didn’t think about it at the time…welp, true. Except the countered part.
Nobody should be expected to believe in faith. Religions claim that something is true so it is on them to prove it. But it cannot be proven thus their claim should not be given due consideration. So the assumption is that science is real and religion is not.
We may as well believe in science I guess.
What even is science if not a cult of cause and effect?
There you go
Showing your true colours
You’re stupid.
This may help answer your question
Please provide any example of a scientifically proven miracle. (Other than that one politician at the podium saying “If I’m wrong may Allah strike me down” and immediately dying of a heart attack)
You know what, even though everyone is downvoting you, I sort of agree with you. Persons faith can help him get better, physically and mentally. Either through placebo or peace of mind. Thats the whole shtick with people not being afraid cause god got their back, or people turning their life around because of accepting faith into their life.
What’s unfortunate with religion is the tendency of other humans exploiting that faith to commit awful things.
Faith’s IMO definitely a double-edge sword and very subjective, which is it’s strength and weakness.
Yeeeep. Faith is a tool, especially if said faith is based on good intentions. It can be used for good (peace of mind, hospitality, feeding the poor, supporting communities), but even if faith itself was infallibly good, community aeound it simply will never be. And people who need to take shelter in faith often are more easily manipulated, sadly.
Fully agreed.
- Thought
- Empathy
- Compassion
- Humanity
- Caring
- Not abusing other people
- Not raping children
- Loving thy neighbor
- Not murdering people who believe something else
- Letting people be who they are unmolested
Well #10 is kind of a gimme; molestation is sort of their whole thing.
couldn’t have said it better myself
Ethics exist independently of any deities even if they did exist.
If ethics didn’t exist separately, and God is actually the source of good, then we would have a lot of logical paradoxes to solve.
For instance, let’s assume God is who defines goodness and educates us on it, and goodness does not exist without God.
Thus, we recognize we don’t have inherent ability to define what’s good or bad. But that also means we can’t prove God is good, because we already recognized only God can define what’s good.
I might have butchered the logical fallacy a bit, logic is hard, but I remember it roughly being stated this way.
Given the title of the blank list is “Diseases eradicated by prayer” this list gets a lot funnier.
Social diseases.
You mean to say that the only thing keeping you from r*ping children is fear of God?
It’s the only thing stopping them, and it’s not even working.
Is prison the only thing keeping you from committing crimes?
Is this supposed to be in the prayer category?
No this is the list of things religion has eradicated
Agreed, but sadly the religious people don’t see it that way (as I’m sure you know, I just hate how disillusioned they are).
Well, I don’t see too many demon-possessed people or witches around today, do you?
I do have a witch friend, their population is tiny though
I see some witches around sometimes
Or dragons.
And that’s supposed to be a good thing?
first thought that came to mind.To be fair, you wouldn’t know the diseases that are eradicated by prayer since they’re stripped from our timeline when looking backwards.
There could be dozens of them!
I’m too tired to be mad about this or the changes that will happen to remind people of how important science is…
But I can always see in my minds eye, some future leader saying. “There’s no way we could have known.”
And that keeps me at a simmer.
Maybe in January of 2020 we should have told everyone to stay home and pray for three or four months.
As per science, prayer (or anything “metaphysical” can’t be measured, as it has no physics or physical evidence)…
…so effects of prayer can’t be measured/known. I guess that means it’s theoretical, unprovable.
That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed the same way.
Prayer and the CIA, however, are gtrwat at spreading them and undermining these efforts.
Had a buddy mention that his friend has cancer and was talking about “I don’t think this doctor is good for me I’m thinking about switching to this other one” and he stopped her and said
“Well when are you going to give it to the real doctor. Jesus?” And went on to say basically don’t even worry about it or explore other doctors just put it all in gods hands!
I fucking hate religion.
Which ones were eradicated & which ones were decimated? Getting rid of 10% of a disease doesn’t sound super effective.
That’s why I light this and pray to St. Carl of Ithaca every night.
I prayed for god to eradicate or decimate those diseases, and he in his infinite wisdom created scientists to do so.
Checkmate atheists.
That’s what I don’t understand about creationists. If you believe god made everything, what’s wrong with believing God used evolution to do it? If the answer is “take the Bible literally”, well that doesn’t work because of all the shit in the Bible that they choose to ignore.
The premise of religion is designed to be bullet proof: god requires faith, don’t test god. It’s required that you have to believe it without proof. Why add things that are so far out there like “the devil/god made fossils as a trick to test your faith”?
