If I ever find myself as a defendant in a fraud trial, maybe I should try repeatedly insulting the judge, prosecutor, and clerk and calling them names, just to see what happens next. Wanna bet I’d find my ass in jail with a contempt charge? Every day, Trump shows there really is a two-tiered justice system.
Trump keeps claiming that he’s being treated differently by the justice system. He means that he’s being treated worse and he’s wrong about that, but he is accidentally correct in that he’s being treated better than any other defendant would be treated. If you or I were facing 10% of the charges Trump is facing, we’d (rightfully) be sitting in a jail cell awaiting trial.
I don’t expect a former president to get the same treatment as me. I expect them to have it better since our nation somewhat depends on them not being treated better.
Especially currently, the judges are very smart in not pursuing apt punishment for his small infractions. Their eye is on the ultimate justice here. Because small punishments only stoke the fires. Small punishments make this look petty and weak and as if they want to get him for anything and everything.
Will people still think that? Yes. But the image of these particular cases is far more important to justice than violations of gag orders.
Just keep that in mind. Going after him for every small thing is more likely to cause further injustice in the nation if he wins election.
It’s like he doesn’t realize performing for his fans will cost him his entire business empire. Bizarre.
I think what the OP is referring to is that Trump HASN’T had any real repercussions for acting the way he has, whereas a ‘normal’ person would have ended up with charges by now.
I wasn’t disagreeing. I was saying I have no idea why he thinks this won’t piss off the judge even more beyond plain stupidity (which might be all it is) and it’s not a jury trial. The company has already been found liable. The more he pisses off the judge, the more likely the judge will end his business empire.
So maybe he’s an idiot and thinks he’ll get away with it this time, but he already hasn’t gotten away with it. He’s already past that point in this trial.
I hate giving Trump credit for anything but I think this may be calculated to some extent. He knows his business is toast in NY and knows he was already found liable. His constant back and forth with the court is to get the fine as high as possible. His followers will see it as the courts going after their guy. They will not care he was found liable already because the evidence was so overwhelming the judge even in the most favourable terms saw no chance for him to win the case. All they will see is the judge extracting a huge fine because he is a a NY judge. They will blame Biden or liberals or the deep state. Never the one person that is truely at fault.
This is the same play as Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, and Roger Stone.
Yeah, but he’s still lost his main source of income. Possibly even Mar-a-Lago.
No he didn’t. He won’t lose a penny in the foreseeable future.
This case is going to be held up on appeals for years. Appellate courts are going to stay the decision while the appeals play out, and Trump will drag those appeals out for as long as possible. Trump himself will be long dead before this case is actually settled. And sure, the Trump organization will lose their main source of revenue. His own kids will likely be severely impacted. But he himself will not suffer any tangible consequences. The fact that everybody else loses? That’s their problem.
I would guess it’s about as calculated as a fish swimming. The guy has simply always done this in all situations, and it has never not worked, so why would he stop. It’s like the world-record run of playing “Do you know who I am?” with the police officer.
Thing is, this isn’t justice. This is reality TV.
Now imagine if you or I acted this way. We would go straight to prison.
I cannot believe how far we’ve fallen.
Mate, the oligarchy have been getting away with the worst crimes imaginable since forever. The only difference with Trump is how publicly and brazenly he is with his crimes.
The average member of the rich and powerful across business and politics are far more corrupt and sociopathic than the rest of the population. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
You hear about “Russian Oligarchs” all the time, but “American Oligarchs” so rarely. That’s a concept that needs to be out there more - that we are actually ruled by the wealthy. It’s practically the end goal of capitalism.
Believe it or not, jail.
Why the fuck would you pause it? They should lock an actual gag around his mouth and leave it there.
It was lifted by an appeals court judge who, coincidentally, was appointed by a former Republican governor.
Weld it.
Lack of pattern recognition. Or corruption.
I, for one, am shocked!
Jk everyone knew this would happen
A lawyer for Mr. Trump, Alina Habba, praised the appellate court after the Thursday hearing and quickly took advantage of the development.
Ms. Greenfield “is in the judge’s ear time and time again,” Ms. Habba said. “If she had a real threat, she should get off the bench.”
“We have never encouraged death threats against the individuals we scream about online, while sharing their names, pictures and even addresses. But if those people have gotten death threats at some point after our unrelated personal attacks, then clearly they should give in to the demands of the people threatening them. Demands which just so happen to align with our interests.”
I can only hope that this shithead ends up facing legal problems like so many other Trump lawyers. Or that she ends up getting doxed and harassed so severely that she becomes a recluse, though I’m not sure what she’d have to do to get anyone to give enough of a shit to put in the effort.
Why would you pause the gag order?
Ffs throw orange Hitler and his ilk in jail. They’ve proven that they’re dangerous, petulant children.
But if they punish a rich person for crimes, whats next? Punishing other rich people for crimes? Outrageous!
Must be nice to be above the law.
From what I hear from Trump, it’s terrible and incredibly unfair (for him).
He, without fail, manages to come up with the most annoying shit imaginable. And it’s always about how he is a victim of something “unfair”… from this guy who, other than being a moron, has lived one of the most charmed and fortunate lives possible.
I just don’t get it. There is a significant portion of the population that watches that exact same thing and believes it to be the epitome of manliness. How the fuck did this happen?
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He, without fail, manages to come up with the most annoying shit imaginable. And it’s always about how he is a victim of something “unfair”… from this guy who, other than being a moron, has lived one of the most charmed and fortunate lives possible.
He does it because it works.
Sure, it’s along the same lines as the constant Fox News outrage, along with the general conservative and Christian “omg I’m persecuted” thing.
So witness intimidation and jury tampering are no longer a thing, because they’re protected under the attacker’s free speech rights?
*only if you’re a “rich” ex-president who has a death cult following him
I feel for the targets of his impotent rage. The good of it is this is the crying and gnashing of teeth before he is fined millions of dollars and is forced to divest from New York. So, silver linings I guess
I have no faith that that will actually happen.
Yup. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Nobody involved in this is learning any lessons about shit.
Wow, I’m sure this is going to ingratiate him to the judge, who has already ruled guilty and gets to decide to what extent his businesses are dismantled and how high the fines go, which could go as high as $250 million and easily bankrupt his grossly over leveraged fraudulent organization. But no, go on ahead Trump, keep harassing the Judge who is also the jury in this case. See how it plays out in the end.
But seriously, what asinine appellate judge thought staying this order was appropriate? Trump is right, he is treated differently than every other defendant, given vastly more privileges, deference, and advantages than any normal defendant. Any other person would be locked in jail at this point. Most judges falling all over themselves to give him whatever he wants though, many appointed by himself. Gag order may be reinstated within a couple weeks though. And he continues to dig his own grave in terms of providing loads of evidence to support why he should be under gag orders for his other cases as well.
The problem is they’re letting him dig more graves than his own. Our “justice” system is a fucking joke.
Literally, this is worse than kindergarten. At least there, there’d be an authority to come in and remove the child smearing fecal matter on the walls…
Hey, you. You’re doing Cthulu’s work. Thank you
What a dumbass.
He’s deliberately provoking so he can claim Persecution Points. It’s the biggest PP he’s got.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
This week, Mr. Trump’s lawyers challenged both of those orders in an appeals court and on Thursday, the appellate judge, David Friedman, paused them after an hourlong oral argument.
About an hour after the New York gag orders were paused, Jason Miller, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump, posted on social media attacking Allison Greenfield, the clerk, calling her a “Democrat Operative.”
The schedule set by the appeals court means that the gag orders could remain paused for much of the remainder of the civil fraud trial, which stems from a lawsuit brought by the New York attorney general, Letitia James.
Last month, after the judge overseeing Mr. Trump’s federal election interference case briefly paused a gag order she had imposed on him, the former president used the window of opportunity to launch a spree of attacks against the people who had been off limits.
Three times in three days, he called the special counsel, Jack Smith, who had brought the case, “deranged.” Twice, he weighed in about testimony attributed to his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, who could be a witness in the trial.
Justice Engoron imposed his own gag order on Mr. Trump on Oct. 3, after the former president posted a picture of Ms. Greenfield with Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic majority leader.
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