Just seems like everything is “this company did this to their employees” and less about “this novel messaging protocol offers these measured pros and cons.” Or similar
And yes, I could post things, but I’m referring to what hits the top, 12h.
Can anyone rec communities with less of a biz and politics and wfh vs in-office vibe?
But if this community community isn’t flooded with tech business articles, where are people going to post insightful comments like “fuck Google” and “switch to Firefox”?
My bugbear is all the Linux circle-jerking. I get that the fediverse has a high nerd-count (I’m one of them), but the “switch to Linux” sentiment is so tedious. Yes, Linux is great for those that have the time or inclination to learn swathes of new terminologies and procedures just to achieve the same level of productivity that the equivalent commercial data-harvesters offer in a more readily-accessible UX, but the vast majority of users simply don’t care.
This old meme couldn’t be less appropriate on Lemmy.
Since when do people need to take into account if anyone else cares when posting to social media? They’re not content creators serving an audience.
I get it’s obnoxious sometimes but people are going to sound off about the things they care about on social media. That’s the whole point.
i get that the fediverse has a high nerd-count (I’m one of them), but the “switch to Linux” sentiment is so tedious
I genuinely don’t understand why people think this is odd. Think for a second about what the fediverse is and what it represents.
Why are we here? Why are we on the fediverse and not reddit or twitter? They both have more content, more intuitive systems, and more mature (if terrible) UXs. So why are we here?
The fediverse represents the same basic thing as a Linux OS for the average consumer: an escape from corporate controlled, locked down, and increasingly bastardized ecosystems. An open source alternative that, while taking a little more effort, rewards the user with relief from the bullshit they want to escape.
Of course it’s popular here. How could it not be?
You’ll also find early adopters tend to be more willing to put in the effort to learn new systems, and we’re barely out of the early adopter stage for the fediverse.
Since when do people need to take into account if anyone else cares when posting to social media? They’re not content creators serving an audience.
I mean, this whole post is about what content is preferable in this specific community.
Linux is great for those that have the time or inclination to learn swathes of new terminologies and procedures just to achieve the same level of productivity
You obviously haven’t tried Linux for at least ten years. It’s really not like that.
I am not a programmer or anything and I’ve been using Zorin full time for a while now after trying it as an experiment. I would go so far as to say it’s on par with Windows or Mac in many (not quite all) respects. Assuming you’re not dependent on some proprietary software the only switching cost these days is… learning to navigate a new system.
Just as an aside, I find it interesting that people using LEMMY of all things for social media would perceive FOSS systems as inferior. I guess that’s a testament to how far along ActivityPub development has come.
I wouldn’t disagree, and I’m not saying FOSS is inferior, I’m just whinging about the Linux evangelising.
There is no perfect OS that can have universal approval. However if I’d I said “Windows is a data-harvesting nightmare” or “Being locked in to Apple ecosystems is constricting and expensive” then I’m sure I’d see the upvote button hammered on Lemmy. But to seemingly question the validity of Linux as a silver bullet for the vast majority of desktop users is borderline heresy.
I won’t dispute that fanboyism is thing, but also I don’t think many evangelists as it were view Linux as a “silver bullet”, just as the most ethical option given the alternatives. And they feel very strong feelings about this, that come across as Weird and Scary to people not used to seeing software treated with the same enthusiasm as politics.
Also, I should add that many view open source software as having the potential to one day be the “silver bullet” in a way commercial software can never be due to it’s structure.
I’ve been reading about its potential for a long time. Maybe next year will be the year of Linux ;)
If your barometer for “potential” relies on market share, then you don’t really understand what motivates a person to contribute effort to a FOSS project in the first place.
You obviously haven’t tried Linux for at least ten years. It’s really not like that.
This is the standard response I’ve heard from Linux advocates for the last 20 years.
I know it’s easy to assume off the back of my initial comment that I might not have, but I assure you, my frustrations with Linux are not borne out of inexperience.
software tech – the whole programming.dev instance
We also have impeccable uptime as you’d expect.
Not to mention most of the commenters just hate on the technology too, every article about any type of transportation that isn’t trains people just shit on it in the comments. “How is this gonna save the planet?” “Why does this need to exist?”
Hating technology should be its own community.
Quite candidly, it’s not articles selling the spiel of tech bros that is going to help us. I’m one of those commenters and I also wish “Technology” was about technology instead of trying to sell the latest gadgetbahn or a solar road or self driving cars.
EDIT: It’s not technically about “helping us”, but more specifically about the kind of spiel those “articles” are trying to push. It may very well be about technology, but it’s misrepresented as something that could help us and save us in the future while in reality, it’s just marginally interesting, Think about how many articles there has been about bitcoins, NFTs, AI and crap like this, coming from techbros and their simps. That’s why you’ll see the sort of comments you complain about. It certainly is tech, but it’s more like tech they’re trying to hype, misrepresent and sell.
I love tech. I work in IT. But I can also smell BS and will not hesitate to point it out.
Well said. I like how the communities on Lemmy have a lot of tech and FOSS people who are able to recognize (and call out) a repackaged sales pitch. I understand most mainstream publications have to pay the bills, but so many of the “journalists” are just caught up in the hype cycle.
AI isn’t anything like NFTs and Bitcoin, it has an actual use case and is being leveraged by a significant number of white collar workers to automate small tasks and take the sifting out of search engines.
But it is like crypto in that a lot of the attention it’s getting thinks it’s something that it isn’t right now. It might be that in the future but AI has a long way to go still.
Crypto never will be anything, that’s the point I’m making.
AI is a tool, a good one. It can’t take your job anymore than the cotton gin took the job of textile workers, but the professional can make plenty of use to help shorten their workdays with it. As it gets integrated into private companies data environments you’ll see more in house models trained on company data that will assist cloud engineers and data engineers in getting things straightened out.
Crypto is a invented currency that was only good for buying drugs and NFT’s are literally a scam.
Totally agree!
“Here’s some incremental progress that is a possibly interesting technological improvement.”
" Omg it isn’t literally perfect and exactly aligning with my interests. Literal capitalist trash, zero value, no one wants it"
In my experience it’s been quite the opposite. The press release will be “here’s some shiny new big deal” and the comments in this community will point out that it’s not only nothing new, but often actively working against users’ interests.
Like Meta totally joining the Fediverse or Apple ““fully”” adopting RCS despite both those companies having a long history of anti-interoperability practices. There’s a lot of BS that comes out of silicon valley, and there aren’t a lot of good journalists able (or willing) to rightfully understand what’s being said, so they repeat the big claims without proper context.
You forgot to call it fascist. That’s a word people with that attitude tend to throw around a lot.
I think this is a flaw in the current state of Lemmy. There’s so few posts compared to Reddit that random people will find your 3 upvoted post in all. This leads to people outside of the community dominating the discussion.
You can also see this with other communities. Everytime I see the conservative one in All it’s a non conservative OP being insulted by other non conservatives, because they assumed OP must be a conservative to post there.
There being an anti tech community won’t solve this issue. I think the most accessible solution is moderation.
It would be nice if there were separate Tech Industry and Technology News communities.
Totally agree
Check out Ars Technica. I’ve always enjoyed the fact that the are more technical than average news sources. For example, when they report on a software security vulnerability, they’ll actually go into the command line and try it for themselves. Pretty good reporters which more than basic tech knowledge, if you ask me…
I liked them until they started posting clickbait.
Some of their headlines can be shitty, but I find that most of their articles are great once you dive into them. Except for their Wired cross publication stories, those mostly suck.
Eric Berger’s space articles are fantastic. Well minus a recent article of his where he hand waved away Elon being a shitheel. On a technical level they’re great.
There is a “Business” community, ideally the mods should remove any links that are “company a lays off workers” or “Elon Musk is stupid again” and re-direct them to Business, where the business decisions belong.
I bring this up all the time when I can be arsed and people always rebute with “but it’s about a company that makes/uses tech”, completely missing the point I was making saying that shouldn’t be the criteria for content here. It’s exhausting.
Https://news.ycombinator.com is the gold standard, there are some Lemmy bots following it as well
Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve been there, but my impression was the polar opposite. That it’s filled with business folks and tech bros. That their unbalanced voting system unearths controversial takes rather than informative comments. Every now and then, you’ll genuinely see a comment from someone with expertise, but that was not worth sacrificing my mental health for.
One of my hats os interviewing senior engineers, one of my warm up questions is to ask where they get their news and stay current.
Hacker news is a very, very, common response.
In fact I don’t have a better news source to offer you.
I worry about dismissing the discussion as tech bro and businessy… As real engineers use the site, I also worry about dismissing people as tech bros, it’s not a great term, and I think unfairly applied to engineers because they are often not neural typical.
one of my warm up questions is to ask where they get their news and stay current.
How important is this to you? If they say they don’t make an effort to keep up with tech news, is that a red flag? Is your company/product really so much on the cutting edge that you need the team to be keeping up with the latest tech news.
Doesn’t seem very important to me, but it’s one of the first questions you ask.
its a warm up question, its not a requirement, getting to know you.
But, someone in industry who doesn’t make an effort to stay up to date in the industry, somehow, would raise an eyebrow… FWIW nobody has ever not had a answer to that question.
I certainly don’t want to dismiss any individuals as tech bros. Tech broism is more like a natural phenomenon, which occurs when you lock exclusively privileged people into a room for long enough and then let them discuss user needs.
At some point, they’ll ask themselves questions like “Why do we need privacy?” and everyone else in the room will agree that they’ve never needed it eitherand then they’ll found Google.I am very much at risk of this, too. I have to constantly go out of my way to try to re-adjust my perspective, so that I don’t completely miss the ball on what users actually need.
And places like Hacker News naturally form, because of course, we all do want to only talk about topics that we consider relevant. And folks whose needs are not generally considered relevant by the Hacker News community will look for different places, too.
I guess, a question you can ask yourself:
If you’ve ever interviewed a senior engineer who was for example black, gay, trans and/or a woman, did they frequent Hacker News?In fact I don’t have a better news source to offer you
Have you taken a look at lobste.rs? Not saying it’s better, but there are alternatives.
I like hacker news but have had trouble figuring out how to actually like…follow it. There is a shitty Android app. They don’t have an RSS feed best I can tell. How does one actually consume it?
Hacker News has an RSS feed at https://news.ycombinator.com/rss. They have a tag in the main page to point to it but browsers don’t really surface that anymore I guess?
They also have like different filtered feeds for things with like a certain number of votes or something, which I have seen people using.
Maybe that’s what it is then. I don’t see it on the main page and their FAQ didn’t list it either.
Regardless, thanks for the link! I’ll drop that into my RSS reader.
They have a tag in the main page to point to it but browsers don’t really surface that anymore I guess?
There’s a Firefox addon to fix that. It’s called RSSPreview, but besides providing previews it also adds a little button to the address bar on sites that have tags like that so you can find the feeds in the first place.
You could just use !hackernews@derp.foo
I know it’s a bot driven community but somehow they actually pulled it off. Lemmy users are actually leaving comments and voting over there.
There’s also !hackernews@lemmy.smeargle.fans but it seems like a less active version of the same thing
I use Harmonic It has a pretty decent ui, but i use web version if i want to search something
Check this one - https://hnrss.github.io/. It has urls with different topics.
Good call I’ll spend more time there
- Hacker News – https://news.ycombinator.com/
- Lobsters – https://lobste.rs/
- Two Stop Bits – https://twostopbits.com/
On Reddit we had r/hardware which was great for this
Here we have !hardware@lemmy.ml but I haven’t checked it out much yet
Looks like it’s mostly PC hardware
Honestly, we need tech business news vs technology in general, but technology also probably should be split between hardware and software. Or maybe computer vs the rest.
Computer vs the rest.
I’d love to see posts about new materials, manufacturing processes, waste management, engineering techniques, mechanical designs and tests.
But nope, it’s just computers computers computers. If you can’t do it on your PC at home it doesn’t count as tech, apparently.
I sometimes read ieee spectrum for that stuff
HackerNews(ycomb) is a veritable gold mine but I find the community to be a bit caustic at times.
There is a HackerNews mirror on Lemmy here that I like but not too many people comment. If I saw more activity I’d probably comment more.
but I find the community to be a bit caustic at times
I find the same can be true around here too, though.
But HN is also mostly tech biz.
I really don’t find that to be true. I see lots of toy implementations, general philosophical discussions, hell even just man pages.
Block keywords, like “altman”, “Gemini,” etc.
Blocking “Musk” has made Lemmy much more enjoyable for me!
I forgot that man was even going to show up, but you’re right. Him, Tesla, SpaceX… We don’t need to know every time something explodes
Elon, Musk, and Twitter are my three banned words at the moment. I would add X but I’m weary of the false positives.
What? I can’t hear you.
I don’t think people should have to put extra filters to get what they signed up for when they subscribed to “technology”
How do you block words? Can you do it from the site or is it just in some of the lemmy apps
I do t know how OP does it but I use Boost on Android which has this functionality
On Android I can use Boost. I didn’t realize Lemmy didn’t have this as native functionality, as it’s something that’s actually built into Mastodon by default.
Voyager is an alternative web app that works on all web browsers, by the way
It’s off site, but hackaday.com is great for (mostly) electronics and computer tech articles.
That’s just what’s happening in the tech industry right now. Loads of firings and other issues. That’s the human factor of tech.
I’m aware I’m off the wavelength here, but I wish those concepts were in a “human factor tech” channel
Maybe. Maybe not. Humans do make up a disproportionate amount of factors involved in most human activity. So their concerns do bubble to the top when all is not well.
I don’t care what is well or not (in a technology channel). I care about tech.
In other channels, such as perhaps a workers rights channel, I care about such topics.
That’s all well and good but I want discussions about tech itself. Tell me about your latest achievement while building your robot.
Hey, if you don’t like it you can get the hell out of r/Elon, we don’t want you here!
oh…wait