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    11 months ago

    How have we come to point where Chris fucking Christie seems like a sensible choice out of a tray of crap?

    The guy who closed down a public bridge to cause political harm to a rival. What a jerk.

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      I agree with you, I was just thinking of him on the beach with his family because he closed it down and he seems like their best choice? How low they have become.

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        I mean, did you see the Trump thing? They’re . . . really low. Like perfectly-okay-with-destroying-democracy-and-justice low.

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      I feel like we’ve moved past just a tray of crap and right into the triceratops scene from Jurassic Park.

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    What absolute hell, lol. There are no solutions to actually help the America people. Just insults, hate, and bullshit. Wtf man.

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      Some are more evil than others…

      Sucks none of these debates matter and only reinforces Trumps popularity. It’s impressive really: The man doesn’t have to do anything to be part of the Republican Party, yet, he continues to be the dominant and popular force in the party.

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    Rammy isn’t wrong when he says fascist neocon, but he is mistaken by assuming he must issue a caveat with the lipstick comment.

    Women can be fascist neocons just as easily as men; see: Italy, France, etc. And that’s just in the past few years; I know I’m missing more.

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      Seems like he has no hope of winning, and is running to restore his “reasonable moderate” reputation that took a hit when he latched onto Trump like a mating anglerfish.

      Maybe he’s hoping for a spot in Haley’s cabinet? Or just as a power broker in the post-Trump GOP, if that ever happens.

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      “new conservatives,” an older conservative movement in line with reagans bullshit. Lower taxes, american foreign policy can do no wrong, make puppy eyes at the troops while you fuck them over, bust any union you can, keep people desperate, gut services to lower taxes more, etc. The Bush’s were neocons, as are Romney and Bob dole.

      They have been usurped by the alt right in the current party. “Burn it down fuck you facist populists that want women pregnant and beaten, and want to shoot anyone in the street who they dont like. Keep taxes low because idk, you let me kills the gays and minorities again so do what you want with taxes” party. The Trump party.

      This is an alt right shithead calling a neocon shithead a shithead.

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        I’m pretty sure all conservatives want their 12 year old wiveS pregnant and in the kitchen

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      I tried urban dictionary and wikipedia, urban dictionary wins but I might be wrong:

      neocon

      Short for Neo-Conservative. They are in fact not conservative at all. They are in reality an opportunistic clicque educated at top colleges who rose up to be White House advisors and Washington spivs when they sensed the tide was shifting with Ronald Reagans rise to power.

      They never serve in the military but want hicks to fight battles in foreign lands in order to protect globalism, or “American Interests.” They rarely work for manufacturers or any product-oriented business, but rather network between law firms and public relations offices when they are not actually in Plum jobs.

      Their favorite magazine is Rupert Murdoch’s Weekly Standard, they hate Chronicles Magazine, the John Birch Society, the Rockford Institute and any other group that is Mid-West based and which exposes their nefarious activities.

      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon

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          Yeah, spot on description except for, you know, what they are, which are neoliberals that hate gay people but do at least have the decency to check over their shoulder before telling a racist joke.

          Fascist neocons should be an oxymoron, but the concept has always been built on hypocrisy.

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        A “neocon” or “neoconservative” refers to a political ideology primarily associated with the United States. Emerging in the late 20th century, neoconservatism originated among liberal hawks who became disillusioned with the Democratic Party’s foreign policy in the 1960s and 1970s, and began to align more with conservative political movements. Key characteristics of neoconservatism include:

        1. Strong National Defense: Neoconservatives typically advocate for a robust military and a proactive foreign policy, emphasizing the need for American leadership in world affairs.

        2. Promotion of Democracy: They often support efforts to spread democracy and American values abroad, sometimes even advocating for military intervention for these purposes.

        3. Free Market Economics: While initially emerging from a liberal background, neoconservatives generally endorse free-market economic policies.

        4. American Exceptionalism: This belief is central to neoconservative thought, which holds that the United States has a unique role and responsibility in maintaining world order.

        5. Response to Threats: Neoconservatives are often characterized by a willingness to confront perceived threats to U.S. interests, particularly from hostile states or terrorist groups.

        Neoconservatism has played a significant role in shaping U.S. foreign policy, particularly during the administration of President George W. Bush, where it influenced the decision to invade Iraq in 2003. The term is sometimes used pejoratively to describe politicians or policies perceived as aggressively interventionist.

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      Any Con that isn’t drinking the MAGA koolaid in modern parlance. “Neocons” care about foreign policy and actually have principles, warped and weak as they may be, other than “I agree 100% with whatever Trump said this week”.

      Neocons are the Republicans tapdancing because Russia is being humiliated in Ukraine, while MAGAts are ready to give authoritarian countries free reign because they also loathe gay people.

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        I looked up the definition, and it actually sounds like batshit nationalism.

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        Hahaha - they do not have principles, as has been proven over and over by their inability to hold criminals to account in their own party.

        They use words that would otherwise indicate such, yes, but it’s absolute utter bullshit. They DO NOT CARE about the law, or governance in any way, shape, or form that does not serve them personally. That’s not having principles, that’s a flaming hypocritical bag of shit.

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          Ah, you seem to have fallen under the false belief that “having principles = having good principles that I agree with”. Neocons are not just mindlessly going around doing evil. They are evil in measured, predictable, logically consistent ways, with actionable goals.

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      I only know some about them but the main thing is that they support a STRONG military form of foreign policy to support “democracy”, stuff like George Bush on invading Afghanistan and Iraq. They support NATO and defending US interests cross the seas.

      They’re basically the tankies of conservatism, with wanting to have tanks solve everything and denying their failures, but they kinda died out like a decade ago.

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      Found the gen z. I can’t believe it took less than 20 years to forget/ not know.

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        Millennial. And, I’ve never heard of neocon because it’s not used anymore since they’re all that now. So it’s just CONS

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        It speaks to how bad a disaster that ideology was that the generation born when it took control have never heard of it by the time they’ve become adults.