• MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com
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    I would feel a lot better about it if we treated cattle with existential respect while they gather for our consumption.

    But capitalism does not do that to humans so hoping for mad cow respect in the US is about largely remembering about the fatal neurodegenerative disease of cattle.

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      Just go buy your meat directly from a farmer that only raises a few each year and that lets the cows roam free, it’s not impossible to buy meat that’s much more ethical, you just have to accept the price that comes with it.

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          It tastes good and I don’t eat it everyday and I try to eat quality meat as much as possible, give me a break.

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            Oh yeah you totally need a break, must be hard to only eat meat sometimes and continue supporting animal abuse. The animals totally don’t need a break more than you.

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              The device you typed this on surely do not contain any precious metal obtained through human abuse.

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                One form of harm does not excuse the other. We all have to make some effort on multiple fronts if we want the future to be brighter. Besides, it’s easier to survive as a vegetarian than without technology in modern society.

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                  Brighter according to whom? By what standard? Is this a dietary restriction you would enforce on other through violence, or by some other authoritarian means?

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                    Well hopefully the democratic process can help us find a decent standard. No violence or authoritarianism required.

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                  Thing is I could make efforts on all fronts except for eating meat every now and then and you guys would still be mad even if I made more effort then you everywhere else.

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          Meat eating is tightly connected to manliness. Also ideas of freedom. People think doing away with meat would mean more austerity and an attack on their individuality. You could sit someone down, join the dots for them linking meat to environmental catastrophe that affects them and they will still laugh it off with a vapid joke like in the meme.

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            I don’t even know what to say. I’m a man and never did I link eating a steak to my masculinity. I know it’s a thing but it just seems so primitive/basic.

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            Meat eating is tightly connected to manliness.

            That’s an interesting proposition. You have a source for that, or a theory of your own? Please share.

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                I’ve heard about that, but I feel a majority of meat eaters are quite tolerant with veganism and don’t see it a a threat to their masculinity. And I think I can say this threat isn’t even relevant in the case of women meat eaters. About the study you linked: it doesn’t really try to take an objective standpoint on the matter since its entire premise is the necessity to convince meat eaters to change their eating habits. Also is says itself (end of section 5) that the link between eating meat and masculinity wasn’t specifically targeted by the study. The authors do mention though that the link between masculinity and meat eating can be attributed to perceptions created by industry marketing. But in this article (as well as in my own personal experience) this link seems at best anecdotal.

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              But what about you?

              “You’re supposed to pretend that you’re something speshul and above those filthy, disgusting and immoral animals!” - vegans.


              EDIT, replying to a comment (from another poster? the same poster?) elsewhere. I think that it was answering this comment, but the thread got deleted so…

              Yeah, not eating animals means we think we’re “above” them because that makes sense.

              Yes, it does. Unless you also expect other omnivorous species and the carnivorous ones to refrain to eat meat… do you? (You don’t.)

              And yes, this makes sense even if it hurts your “precious, oooh so preeecious!” feelings of superiority over other animals.

              Also some other animal killer here in the comments flat out said “humans are above animals, this is fact” but evil vegans think they’re above animals!

              • Whataboutism: “but what about what the other guy said?”, disingenuously shifting the focus from vegans to non-vegans. Also I’m not responsible for someone else’s statements.
              • False dichotomy: implying that a non-vegan putting himself over other animals automatically excludes vegans from doing the same.

              The false dichotomy is so fucking dumb that it makes me think that you’re implictly admitting to not have any actual argument at hand.

              If you want a serious reply then bring up some something not so infested by fallacies as the above, otherwise I’ll just keep laughing at you, “sorry”.

              (Arguably also loaded language but I’ll cut you some slack on that, given that it has some entertainment value.)

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                Yeah, not eating animals means we think we’re “above” them because that makes sense. Also some other animal killer here in the comments flat out said “humans are above animals, this is fact” but evil vegans think they’re above animals!

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                  I agree with you that it’s a personal choice. I was replying to someone who seemed to imply that it wasn’t, and was suggesting that someone who eats meat can just stop doing it. I think that, for some people or some cultures, transitioning to a vegan diet isn’t that easy.

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                    I love how you say it’s a personal choice then drone on about how people in “some” cultures find it difficult to be vegan but never did you say “hey I live in the Arctic circle where we’re forced to eat animals” (or something like that) so I imagine that for you the issue is irrelevant and you’re just choosing to eat animals.

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                Oh yeah I was totally suggesting animals should all go vegan too /s

                That was my answer. My snarky reply was intended to demonstrate how stupid it was for you to suggest that considering I never brought up that issue.

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      And what does this existential respect look like?

      Having a bit more joy in life and living a day longer in a cage which is one squaremeter larger until they get slaughtered?

      Still no freedom and an unnaturally early end of life.