This community is housed on an instance run by two trans women, focused on the needs of the queer and gender diverse community.
We allowed 196 here because we were promised the community is queer and trans inclusive.
If you’re here it’s because you’re aggressively supportive of trans folk. Not middle of the ground, not “just asking questions”.
If your response to that is, “yes, but…” then this isn’t the instance for you, and by extension, this isn’t the community for you.
tl;dr - Unambiguous support and inclusion, or fuck off somewhere else.
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Edit - I changed the phrase "aggressive support to “unambiguous support”, as there was some confusion over the intent behind my previous phrasing.
Aggressive support given!
WHATS THAT SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU IM CRANKING THE HOG RIGHT NOW TRANSPHOBES GTFO (DISRESPECTFULLY) 🏳️⚧️
There was transphobia in 196? HOW?
One of the mods made a post about how this comment being really creepy about trans men’s bodies somehow wasn’t transphobic and then deleted it after people started calling them out lol
Thank you for providing good context on this thread. The original comment was ass, but not important overall. If the mod hadn’t decided to explicitly defend it, this wouldn’t even be a conversation. This entire discourse would have been avoided if it wasn’t for a shitty mod post.
The guy said he wasn’t into dicks and that it would be weird to like something about his partner that they would want gone and dislike. That’s not transphobic. It honestly bonkers that people find that to be transphobic.
Most people seem to agree it wasn’t transphobia, but here’s the context: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561
There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active, but they got shut down pretty quickly
“Not gay as in happy, but queer as in fuck you!”
TRANS RIGHTS
Trans women are women. Girldick is best dick.
Know that you are loved. ^And also sexually objectified. Sorry bout that… ^
-Sincerely a cis lesbian.
Can you explain the girldick thing? I’m a transman and that comes off as one of the many things that are low key alienating in expressions of support, but it’s possible I’m just mistaken.
The original reference (which triggered the OP to post) is a cis man saying he wouldn’t sleep with a pre op trans woman.
He said something along the lines that girldick is disgusting, I’m saying it’s hot.
If that’s problematic I can delete (not sure how that works on lemmy though). I would rather hear it from a trans woman though. If you want to discuss, go for it.
I’m not the person you were seeking clarification from but I took her comment to mean that she is a cis woman that’s sexually attracted to women, but also enjoys P.I.V. sex. Therfore she would be happy to discover that a woman she is attracted to has a penis.
That’s just my interpretation though.
How far removed from the instigating post is that? It doesn’t seem all that different if we’re immediately diving into fuckables and unfuckables.
I think you’re saying I didn’t help you understand her position, fair enough.
I mean this post is a place to voice support for the trans community and she said she likes having lesbian sex with trans women. I don’t think the statement was meant to support trans men, just trans women. Trans women tend to be the focus of a lot of the conversation. I think trans men and trans women have different experiences with transphobia and need different supports. If you’d like to talk about your feelings I’d be interested to learn.
But also, she’s a lesbian so again it’s not too surprising that she would center women in her comment.
I’m a cis het man that wants to support you. It occurs to me that the less time men spend thinking and talking about lesbian sex, the better adjusted they are. So I’m going to excuse myself from this conversation. Good luck out there man. I’m pulling for ya.
HELL YEAH 💖
Can you see my reply? I’m on lemmy.world and I thought it was still defederated from Beehaw so I shouldn’t be able to see your comment O_o(I’m used to being more active on my beehaw account so using my lemmy.world account threw me off, disregard this lol)P.S. Yay trans rights and having a pro-trans meme space 😄
Being defederated just means you can’t see new posts on beehaw communities and they can’t see your communities at all. If your instance and beehaw are both federated with a third instance, like the one this community is on, then you’ll still be able to see comments by beehaw users on that instance.
Thank you so much. We need that more than anything right now — where transphobic content tends to be the default on the web.
If this is the time to go full aggressive for our rights, count me in!
(And if you’re here to passive-aggressively complain about how you « don’t care about people’s sexuality » and making everyone notice you’re leaving — let me be very active-aggressive in saying « good fucking riddance » to you.)
I still have no idea how these communities are set up structurally. That said I’m quite pleased to see this as the community baseline. Stumbling into inclusivity is the best kind of stumbling.
What caused this post?
A kerfuffle: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561
That was underwhelming
That linked to post was a response to an existing ongoing discussion that brought transphobes out of the woodwork. That post also had transphobic replies, and there were multiple discussions going on at once with active transphobes.
It was the ongoing transphobia that occurred around the initial discussion that prompted my post, not any specific single post.
I remember seeing the original post, it was in response to being asked if they’d date a trans person wasn’t it?
It was, yes.
But you need to be aware, cis people talking about the reasons they are valid in not wanting to fuck trans people is something we see all day, every day. It’s normalised for people to just volunteer how unfuckable they find us.
And whilst that discussion might have some valid spaces in which it can be talked about, a meme community on an instance run by two trans women is not that space
The original post was an image with the text “Hey you, straight dude: are you attracted to women or to femininity?”
I posted a response that said I like boobs & pussy, and then someone (who turned out to be ace, and just was curious) asked if I would date a trans man.
Yeah, I know. I saw the context.
Your post was removed because I wanted that whole line of conversation dropped, not specifically because of your single post.
Also, it’s worth noting that your post was not the trigger for this thread.
Thank you! I followed 196 over here from Reddit when it moved and I appreciate you reaffirming its principles. I think the move to Lemmy paradoxically gave 196 more visibility to people who don’t necessarily agree with those principles because its posts wind up so prominent on All, especially in smaller instances. It’s kind of hilarious how many posts I’ve seen asking why people on Lemmy say “rule” all the time 😂
Edit: in closing, fuck transphobes
Hi! Trans person here. Your heart is in the right place, but this post is poorly written. You haven’t even given examples of how this is currently/could be applied. Some people are just that uneducated about trans people. If they’re leading questions that invalidate us, sure. But otherwise what’s the harm? For 196 there’s no reason to ask about that stuff but the whole instance?? Your call in the end but I can think of a few ways this could go bad just from prior experience in other communities.
Every single transphobe right now:
Literally right below this.
WHAT THE FUCK (RESPECTFULLY) FUCK UNAMBIGUOUS SUPPORT AGGRESSIVE SUPPORT TILL THE DAY I DIE MOTHERFUCK*R 🏳️⚧️
Will spend the next days reporting transphobes if necessary <3 best wishes from Germany
But muh discussion with both sides! 🤨🤔 That’s not very tolerant of you, guess we know whose the real baguette now. 😤
i am old and cis but trans shitposters are the best shitposters, this is indisputable. you have my support
