Ocasio-Cortez took to Instagram after the Department of Homeland Security suggested they may pursue arrests of three Democratic lawmakers who partook in a protest outside of an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey. Reps. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ), Rob Menendez (D-NJ) and LaMonica McIver (D-NJ) all attended the protest.
I’m watching all this from the sidelines… Damn, you’re just perfect for being used. Crowd brain. You don’t even think about it… Your Republicans are bad because they said so and you are supposedly Democrats…
As a person who has suffered from the actions of your state and your politicians - you really don’t know and don’t want to understand the truth! Your Democrats are not white and fluffy at all… My God, you are fed slogans and you believe them. But you only blame the Republicans or Trump 🤦🏼♀️ And you don’t see anything at all in your “favorites”. Politicians always and everywhere use people! But at least Trump is not guilty of millions of deaths and money laundering, as well as corruption and pumping money out of other independent states! Yes, he is a businessman, yes, he is a devil, but he does it a little more humanely… And he did not just decide to destroy a nation to harm another. After all, he is a businessman, and not like your typical politician who built a career on the Cold War! And they can’t live any other way. And if they also launder a ton of money, then everything is perfect. The main thing is let others die, but not the “great” democrats… pandering to dictators who spit on all norms and human rights! You are like those from the EU - greens - pour soup over historical value, works of art - that’s a piece of cake. And the fact that wars harm the planet much more - who cares! And when unique endemics are destroyed, flora and habitats of fauna listed as endangered species in various conventions! Oh yeah, cutting down the Amazon forests for the sake of holding a climate change forum - that’s hypocrisy and double standards!!! Think about it and start studying more, not just slogans and articles from your paid media. Or have you already forgotten about WikiLeaks??? So study the “great Biden” and search for Alexander Dubininsky on Twitter. Why is he being held in jail, illegally and without reason. For the truth and investigation! And oh, your Democrats are no better than Republicans. By the way, Gramm is also a bought character… There was enough evidence, but as always, great Democrats - in particular their friends in the EU are blocking YouTube channels so that Ukrainian citizens do not know the truth, since the usurper decided that he can impose sanctions against his citizens without trial or investigation 🤦🏼♀️🤬 Well, alas, they are now making a lot of profit. But smart people know the reasons very well, and who is who in the end. But no, you will now accuse me, like the usurper, of being “pro-Russian”… 😂 May all those who accuse me and those same Russians live my life and the lives of many others who died and lost everything in this war! A war of influence, money, control and ambition! It’s disgusting!I get that you’re angry, and honestly, a lot of your frustration is valid. Politicians everywhere use people. That’s not new. And yes, both parties in the U.S. have done harm—abroad and at home. But painting Trump as some kind of honest businessman who’s just misunderstood? That’s not the truth either.
Let’s be real. Trump is a politician. He ran for office, made policy, appointed judges, and used the system to his advantage. Saying “he’s just a businessman” is a branding trick, not a fact. And his record is full of grift, manipulation, and a ton of legal problems that didn’t come from nowhere. His company was convicted of tax fraud. That’s not some media smear—it happened in court.
And if we’re going to talk about war and foreign meddling, let’s not pretend Republicans are innocent. Bush started a war in Iraq based on lies, destabilized an entire region, and caused hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. That blood doesn’t wash off just because people hate Biden now. If you’re truly anti-war, your anger should be aimed at the whole military-industrial mess, not just the Democrats.
As for the media being “paid off”—sure, bias exists. But “they all lie” isn’t a serious argument. That just pushes people into echo chambers where they only believe what they already want to hear. The answer is to read widely, cross-check things, and use basic critical thinking. Not to declare the entire idea of journalism dead.
On that Dubinsky point—he got hit for pushing Russian disinfo during the U.S. election. If there’s something unjust about his detention, that’s a Ukrainian legal issue. It’s not the fault of American Democrats. And let’s not pretend Putin’s hands are clean in any of this either. You can’t call out one side for abuse of power while giving authoritarian regimes a free pass.
And that thing about climate protestors and soup on art? Yeah, it’s a dumb stunt. But it’s not even close to being on the same level as war or environmental collapse. You can disagree with their tactics without making false comparisons.
Look, nobody with half a brain thinks Democrats are saints. But Trump is not some noble outsider who plays by a better code. He just plays a different game—one that’s openly corrupt, chaotic, and fueled by ego. He didn’t dismantle the system. He used it. And now he wants back in to finish the job.
You can hate the system. A lot of people do. But don’t let that hatred blind you into thinking one corrupt actor is better just because he talks louder or waves the flag harder.
People who’ve suffered from war and political games deserve the truth, not just another version of someone else’s propaganda.
All politicians are worthless.
Yes, the concept of “representative” government is a complete scam and inversion of democracy.
Yes, everyone, check out and just let things happen. Stop participating.
Checking out and letting things happen is primarily for people who believe in politicians. It’s for people who believe in voting. It’s a major foundation of the state.
AOC 2028. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
Fun to think about, but American males are not ready for a strong female presence in their lives. They can’t handle it.
I would love for AOC to show the world her fire and Americans some grace. Not going to happen with the lot in America right now sadly.
Maybe stop with the strawman argument and you’d get a bit further. Myself, and I’m sure plenty of others, are really sick of being painted as a villain before even entering the conversation. All you’re doing is furthering the divide, not shortening it.
I see it all over Lemmy - angry liberals painting the opposition as vile and inhuman. Making all these strawman up. Makes other liberals not want to associate with you. Makes you seem just like the people you vilify.
You want a society of love and acceptance? Start with yourself. Create a happy accepting vibe around yourself and make it grow from there. But don’t salt the ground and then wonder why nothing grows.
Do you want to stand for something or win elections and progress? I dont care about race or sex, just like you don’t, but that’s not the reality of America today.
I’ll chose having values and standing for something, yes.
Yeah no, ICE deported a four year old with stage four cancer.
If you support the felon rapist who’s spent every single decade of his life an entitled shit destroying as many fucking lives as he could…
Nah, if you voted for Trump that is the same in my book as supporting Hitler. Supporting Trump makes you a fascist, and there is only one cure for fascism.
Another great strawman. I’m a registered Democrat. Thank you for proving my point. Because only a conservative could disagree with you /s
You’re not even providing arguments to straw man bruv, you’re just sealioning here.
And yet when told I disagree with you you immediately go off about maga Nazis. That’s your strawman. You can’t stop foaming at the mouth about it while other Democrats are trying to have an actual conversation with you. So e of you are just as rabid as the people you hate.
You haven’t made an argument to engage with. All you have said so far is “lefties are meanies!” Mild criticism is “foaming at the mouth.”
I think your problem is that you aren’t here in good faith, and that stink comes through the computer monitor.
Nah
your comment is exactly what conservatives say " if you argue against a conservative than you are no better than they are" get over yourself.
Nah, I’m a liberal getting sick of my own party and people for being hypocritical themselves.
What a sweeping generalization!
This misogynist BS is soooo tired. Michelle Obama would have easily crushed Trump. But the dems serve capital better by losing.
Hell, plenty of American women aren’t either.
My brain has a conniption whenever I try to see how women could vote against other accomplished successful women, their own interests, and instead for a misogynistic ugly orange rapist. Like I’m done trying to understand the stupidity. 🙄
The same way poor people keep voting for right wing parties
Stupidity in some cases, but indoctrination in a lot of cases.
I don’t know if American men are ready for it, but neither Harris nor Clinton were strong presidential candidates, and not because of their gender.
but neither Harris nor Clinton were strong presidential candidates, and not because of their gender.
That’s a bunch of bs. It was sexism, pure and simple.
Clinton was an accomplished lawyer and accomplished civil servant in her own right, having spent her entire life in service. As former first lady, she had exclusive access to the inner machinations of the presidency (I’m not saying that being the spouse of an elected leader alone qualifies one for that position (see Republicans’ voting for dead candidates and swapping the deceased’s spouse in after the election)), but rather adds to the cumulative total. She was also the head of the state department.
And because of a successful attack at a foreign embassy in a hostile nation, that became a millstone around her neck that trumpers bashed her for, capping off an otherwise stellar career.
Against that orange buffoon, on paper, she should have mopped the floor with his toupe’
Harris was VP, senator, Attorney General. She didn’t have the cv of Clinton, but she was a woman, and she had a foreign sounding name. I worked as an election inspector (not the jackoff people who challenge voter’s ability to vote, but the people who conduct the election at the local jurisdiction level). The election room as a smallish town hall, and many couples came in to vote together. The amount of people who were speaking loud enough to be overheard saying things like: “never vote for a woman” or making referring to “white pride” was shockingly scarry. They wanted to be heard.
Why, yes, I live in a racist, misogynistic hellhole - how’d you guess?
Clinton was part of the Clinton Crime Family and Harris was a cop. Terrible choices.
Clinton Crime family? Lmao. Clinton’s are street thugs compared to the Trump Crime family.
Yeah but the Democratic base is less likely to turn out for criminals than the Republican base.
Oh I am NOT denying that hahaha
Michelle Obama would have destroyed Trump. The dems chose to lose.
Hillary also had to contend with Bernie as her opponent in the primary, a much more beloved candidate who polled better than both her and Trump, and was also handicapped by the Dems running a crooked primary by saying that they didn’t have to and would never pick Bernie as the candidate, even if he won the primary. She also called herself a “Goldwater girl” during the campaign, a man who ran for President on segregation as a campaign promise. People also had a negative view of her because she’s a Clinton, and there was a bit of dissatisfaction with “political dynasties” after the Bush era.
And Harris ran a campaign that tried to appeal to conservative voters with promises such as building the wall on the Mexican border and campaigning with Cheney, which caused her to immediately begin losing percentages in the polls amongst independent voters. She also has a legacy of questionable actions against minorities of color during her time in California, which I saw a number of people criticizing.
Not to say that sexism and racism didn’t play a part because oh my God, even here in liberal Massachusetts I see that shit. But they also did the usual Democrat campaign strategy of not appealing to their base because they were courting a mythical moderate conservative voter that doesn’t exist, and that’s a losing strategy. Dems fall in love, Republicans fall in line. AOC is so popular because she speaks to the issues that people have, and she does so passionately.
Despite that, I unfortunately remain unconvinced that she could pull out a presidential victory because of the aforementioned racism and sexism that’s so prevalent in this country. As someone wiser than me once said, racism is so American that when you criticize it, people think that you’re criticizing America.
Personally, I don’t think we should allow any men to be president. Just of think of how absurd it is. We keep electing a bunch of testosterone-addled rage junkies to be in charge of the nuclear button. Men are just too emotional to be president, or even leaders in general. They’re just as likely to take off their pants and start waiving their dicks at each other as they are to come up with something that even meets the definition of “policy.” Electing a man a leader is like electing a rabid inbred gorilla hopped up on PCP as a leader.
Men belong in the home. That’s their rightful place. That way they don’t have to spend too much time seeing other men, which only inspires rage reflexes in them. You let two men meet and they start beating their chests and trying to assert dominance over each other, usually while stripping off clothing and pulling out firearms. Men have no place in politics, business, or any field that really matters. Men should be kept in the home where they can’t do too much damage.
But a man as president? Comically absurd. Literal clown world. How could such irrational, angry, emotionally fragile beings ever be elected a leader?
How can you trust someone who doesn’t bleed for their country once a month?
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Both were trying to cater to people on the fence and lost the vote of people further left in that pursuit…
And still didn’t get the people on the fence.
The amount of people who were speaking loud enough to be overheard saying things like: “never vote for a woman” or making referring to “white pride” was shockingly scarry. They wanted to be heard.
None of those people were ever going to vote Democrat
The idea that they lost only because of sexism is the most delusional shit I’ve ever fucking heard, oh my God
Please tell me these are bot accounts because otherwise wow I agree that is truly brain worms level stuff
That’s a bunch of bs. It was sexism, pure and simple.
The cry of the Democrats addicted to losing elections
They weren’t, but they were a hell of a lot stronger than Trump. And Biden for that matter.
The reality is there’s clearly a double standard in how Americans - both male and female - view women as candidates. Look at how they attacked Kamala for having a monogamous relationship with Willie Brown while Trump cheated on 3 spouses and sexually assaulted somewhere between 1 and 25 people.
Does anyone think there’s a chance that a woman who was caught cheating on her spouse could get elected? And it’s not just sex stuff, the way opinions and mannerisms are scrutinized is different too. There’s 100x as many ways for a woman to be cringe as a man.
it was soely sexism, the fact you dont think that means your also kinda sexists too.
Spreading the delusional belief that it was solely sexism is sexist because it discourages people from voting for a woman.
Clinton and Harris were both absolutely shitty candidates. AOC is not, and can rally a huge segment of voters who previously stayed home.
Such a sexist statement. To both genders.
This take is SO dumb, did you completely ignore that Hilary won the popular vote?
Congrats? Still didn’t win the election, which is all that matters here.
Disagree. I think that the failures of Harris and Clinton have a lot more to do with campaign and messaging failures than they do with the fact that they’re women. We’re living a populist moment, and the democrats want to rise to that with “noooo lmao everything’s fine, you’re not actually struggling at the grocery store shut up lol. Nooo we can’t offer a real policy platform to vote for, just vote against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we’ll blame you).”
They’re GOING to fuck this up in 2028 if we even have elections, and they’re not going to let anyone stop them from fucking it up, not even AOC or David Hogg. Right now, Gavin Newsom is leaning hard into giving himself a republican-lite glow-up so that he can run the Newsom/Pence ticket in 2028 and try to peel off a whole six moderate republicans. Their campaign platform will be:
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Bulldoze the homeless (now with BIGGER dozers!)
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shut up, don’t worry about it, just keep voting against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we’ll blame you)
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People are downvoting you, and as much as I would like it to not be true, you are right. There’s too many male dems I’ve talked to that didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman. It was shocking, and disappointing to say the least.
So I can’t, in good conscience, downvote you, because you’re not wrong, as much as I don’t like it.
Edit: I also should have expected people also downvoting me just because they don’t like the message. I don’t like it either, but downvoting me does not make it less true. I voted for Hillary and Kamala and campaigned for them both, so don’t downvote me just because I’m the messenger of observations about shitty behaviors I’ve encountered among my fellow dems.
Male here. Hillary was probably the worst female option who’s ever ran for president.
Kamala wasn’t much better, and felt like a rush job to prevent Biden being an easy sweep.
Not that I’m advocating for trump in either case. I’m just saying its like the old south park joke of douche vs turd sandwich.
Only difference is that AOC is actually a good choice. Whereas Hillary and Kamala were never good choices.
I would fully support an AOC run. I would vote FOR AOC. Whereas with Hillary and Kamala it felt like it was voting against trump by selecting “whoever the opposition is”.
Which for the record, isn’t a gender thing. Biden was also “not trump” on the ballots in 2020. You didn’t vote FOR Biden. You voted AGAINST trump.
Hillary likely would have made a great moderate president. She was a “bad choice” only because Fox News attacked her for 20 years.
Downvotes but she was a cool hippy chick once. Neoliberal was the game she chose to play and it might have worked if she played more on the radical side
You need to rephrase that as “falsely ex-MAGAt American males who will immediately vote Republican next election despite claiming they were moving a sub from it for our sympathy and so they wouldn’t face the consequences they deserve” aren’t ready…
She’s great- but she’s not the revolutionary leader you need to do what’s necessary. She’s the person you need AFTERWARD to pick up the pieces.
Why not?
I like the fantasy and I wish that’s where we were at, but please just give me a boring middle aged white guy. The people who love AOC the most apparently just aren’t going to show up at the polls in numbers. It’s a problem we’ve been talking about since I was the one not voting and we were blaming it on the way they treated green party candidates (I know, probably even longer). There’s a new excuse every few years, but there always is one and it doesn’t look like it’s changing any time soon.
Please, let’s throw the old people a bone and give them an easy choice so we all don’t have to suffer again. I hate having to think about ‘electable’ too, but let’s just do that astronaut guy they were pushing for Harris’ running mate, they’d love that guy.
I feel like those people are never going to vote though. The communists and socialists will be too busy going on about bourgeoisie this and that and won’t be satisfied unless Marx himself is running because no one else is good enough. And the anarchists will go going “why should I take this opportunity to fight fascists if I’m not getting my perfect anarchist utopia out of it? Don’t vote, it’ll go against your perfect idealism.” Just like they did this last time around.
I think that Bernie Sanders showed us that people who don’t have ideological sticks up their asses will be willing to vote for something better that gets us all a little bit closer to utopia, even if it’s not perfect yet. And as a non-American, I think AOC has that same infectious energy. But of course, as a non-American, I might also be underestimating how much Americans hate women and brown people.
The people who love AOC the most apparently just aren’t going to show up at the polls in numbers.
Cite your sources here
We just had a boring middle aged white guy and he spent his entire abandoned campaign pushing for genocide. Dems never learn basic humanity.
I wouldn’t call Biden “middle aged”.
Why doesn’t she already have a problem? I was hoping AOC would be leading the charge, but she’s more like a background character.
This screams “it doesn’t matter until it’s me.”
“suggested” they “may pursue”… wow. Did they fire six shots or only five? Y’know, in all that excitement, I kinda lost track myself.
This is trump’s final chance before he gets SLAMMED.
The Democrats have shown that they intend to continue to lose and will not take meaningful action to protect the public, it’s pathetic
Hold up - they participated in the protest? Or they showed up and required a tour of the facility, which is their right as federal lawmakers?
What I saw indicated only the latter? Did they actually participate in the protest?
I have no idea but whether they did or not is irrelevant.
Protesting is constitutionally protected speech even for lawmakers, and has no bearing on their rights as elected officials to tour those facilities.
If the bar has to be that high given everything they have already done, then perhaps you are living in an oligarchy.
She said, he said…Just storm the capitol, easy! 4 years of US politics with trump killing freedom. Please nooo.
You should already have a problem.
How many red lines have been crossed now? I like AOC but the Democrats and Congress aren’t going to do shit if they haven’t already.
I used to like her, now she’s seemingly going career politician and is voting with lobbyists instead of advocacy groups and all her public statements are just talk. She’s becoming what she got into politics to prevent…
I’m not saying you’re lying, or wrong, but could you provide examples?
I’ll say they’re lying and wrong for you.
The “Take it Down” act. She voted with the party line despite warnings.
giving the powerful a dangerous new route to manipulate platforms into removing lawful speech that they simply don’t like. President Trump himself has said that he would use the law to censor his critics. The bill passed the Senate in February, and it now heads to the president’s desk.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws
https://www.techdirt.com/2025/04/28/congress-moving-forward-on-unconstitutional-take-it-down-act/
This is one of the few valid criticisms I can think of. Like, I can get why she’d consider the legislation, considering the myriad of deepfakes made about her (which has got to feel…particularly violating on top of the non-sexual harassment and attention people have put on her since she, basically, first got elected) but there are really valid concerns about the legislation, particularly in the context of this administration.
And I don’t remember her, at least, even addressing those concerns and potential abuses of the law.
She started losing me a few years ago, when claiming to be a socialist & pro-union, she voted to make it illegal for railroad workers to strike. Pro-union until their collective action might make life a little inconvenient, then knock their teeth out for the capitalists.
I haven’t really kept track of her since then.I heard her talk about immigrant labor and the joy if it being cheap for cheap products and realized she wasn’t on our side but money’s.
She’s just young, female and talks occasionally to the populace like she gets it and agrees that things are bad so she’s given a lot more leeway than the other members of the party. Its all fundraising though.
Not left enough for you?
Who is?
You say that like it’s a trap card.
Nobody in office right now is. The system will not tolerate it, and is built to keep them at the fringes.
No it’s what makes progressives impotent they spend more time purity testing each other instead of doing anything.
No, what makes progressives appear impotent is they are fighting an asymmetric war against a much more well funded opponent.
Yet MAGA was able to take over the GOP.
It’s sad when MAGA is better funded and organized then the progressives and they bitch less to boot.
Seven red lines. All of them strictly perpendicular. Some with green ink and some with transparent.
That video gave me an aneurysm.
Trust me, I’m an expert!
5-D chess requires red surfaces and a few lines.
The problem is the old fart democrats and a few DINOs combine to make it so there just isnt enough of a voting block to actually make anything happen. It sucks right now but the whole point of congress is to require a majority consensus in order to pass legislation. Frankly the fact is it was structurally designed to be slow because the founders of the constitution were tired of King George and now we’re bearing witness to what happens when we need it to respond.
Nah, fuck this sentiment. Force a vote and be loud about every law that they break. If there’s a contingency of congress that are going to be obtuse about resisting fascism, then they can face the disgruntled mass of voters in the next election. If Dickhead Durbin hadn’t already decided he’s not going to run for reelection I’d be voting him and Tammy Duckworth out for compromising on Republican policies. Instead I’ll only get the pleasure of voting against Tammy in the primaries.
and shes like only 1 person, other than crockett, and maybe tim is doing anything different. all the other dnc do not want to lose thier seats, and or the grift train the gop has been living off of.
It’s a figure of speech. She’s aware.
They do. They can’t do anything through Congress, but they’re helping the ACLU get the cases through the courts. If they go after a member of Congress, that member can personally press charges on the administration. That is her point.
And then it gets escalated to the fascist Supreme Court and dismissed.
Law is a dead end.
No, doomerism is
I believe in the power of organized strikes combined with mass protests. That’s what works and what forces Courts rule in our favor. That’s hardly being a doomer.
You just don’t want to have to do anything.
Weird things to say to someone that you don’t know anything about. You aren’t spying on me because you wouldn’t say that, so I’m going to chalk it up to unfounded accusation, maybe to try and feel better?
But they’re totally thinking of planning to maybe someday look into building a guillotine!
Nah, they’re going to call everyone else not doing that an enemy while continuing to do nothing at all, of not actually helping MAGA like they did during the election!
That’s far from the norm. SCOTUS has upheld far more lower court rulings than overturned.
The ones that don’t matter to the regime are upheld so Democrats keep thinking the Courts will save them and they keep wasting time in legal battles instead of organizing in other ways. The ones that Trump actually cares about are overturned.
I’ll radicalize with her.
Ma’am, with the greatest and utmost possible respect, the rest of the world submits that you people already have several problems.
Do something that would warrent the GOP being hostile tward you, maybe.
Hooray for more posturing! Really nice that this current administration has shown without a doubt that our entire system is full of spineless garbage that really will do nothing to balance power, which is literally why those branches of government exist. Yes AOC is a firecracker and more verbal than most. Yes, she drives change and is a speaker for a the people. But without any backup from the entirety of our gov, she’s just a megaphone yelling into a void.
That’d be the humanity.
Any system without wide popular involvement turns into shit.
Wide popular involvement requires simplicity and small number of levels, and ability to ruin and rebuild any part of the state apparatus quickly. So it’s limiting, but those limits are liberating, one can say.
At the same time there are no good systems for that wide popular involvement, one would have to pick between Switzerland and the idealized Soviet system, neither is perfectly functional.
she’s just a megaphone yelling into a void.
That makes you the void…
That’s a good threat, but what happens when nobody backs it up? You just know that establishment Dems will sit it out and people are not going to do anything. So what then?
I’m willing to chip in for t-shirts:
Can we stop doing anti-trans “I identify as…” jokes?
They started as pro trans.
Respect my trans homies before I make your pronouns was/were
Can I get THAT on a t-shirt? 🤔
Oooo I like that one
