• YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.worldOP
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    11 months ago

    Not every conservative talking point is bad. The Moderates views on fiscal responsibility is wise. Now of course they are hypocrites and only say that when Democrats are in power, but ensuring tax payer money is spent efficiently and wisely is a good position to have.

    So I wouldn’t dismiss them outright, but on certain issues I would listen less.

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      They are lying about fiscal responsibility. Their severe increases in debt and outrageous tax cuts only for the richest are proof of that.

      Conservatives are incapable of honesty.

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      11 months ago

      When have Republicans ever been good for efficiently using taxes? They generally take stuff away from us, put more of it where we don’t need it, and refuse to tax their buyers.

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      Be good with money is not a political opinion. That’s just basic common sense. It’s a shitty Republican talking point when they say that. It was Reagan that blew up the national debt. Democrats before always kept a reasonable budget while paying down debt. The whole point is that the wealthy didn’t want to pay for social safety nets and made up an issue out of nowhere to lower taxes.

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      The way you’re phrasing this makes it seem like you think the left’s policies on fiscal responsibility are “spend taxpayer money inefficiently and unwisely”. That statement is an empty platitude unless “Moderates” and the right actually take some kind of action to back it up or even present a plan that reflects a position of fiscal responsibility.

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      11 months ago

      Wise my ass.

      The “moderate” republicans are only fiscal hawks with a democrat president. When they control everything, it’s tax cuts for the rich all the way down- and those Trump era 1%-er tax cuts are a) the largest expansion of us debt and b) one of the driving causes of inequality in the US.

      Literally everything they do fucks over the vast majority of Americans- their constituency included- for the. Benefit of the oligarchs whose dicks they suck off.

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      They might have some general points that are decent, but their implementation of those points is horrid at best.

      For example, fiscal responsibility. Good general concept. After all, spending $100 when you only have $10 isn’t sustainable. However, the right still tries to spend a huge amount on the military and then gives big tax breaks to the rich under the theory that the rich will eventually let some middle class/poor people have money. Trickle Down Theory has been disproven many times and yet the right keeps going back to it.

      To give another one: We need to fix the situation at our southern border. Yes, I agree. Something needs to be done and… Oh, wait. They want to deploy buzzsaw blades, shoot immigrants on sight, and build a giant, expensive wall that won’t do anything but drain money.

      You want to really address the issue at the southern border? Expand and reform the immigrant court system. Jon Oliver had a good piece about the problems there. If you fix the immigration courts, we could quickly sort through the incoming immigrants, help settle people who qualify for asylum and kick out anyone who shouldn’t be here. But that would result in more immigrants staying here (which we definitely could handle) and Republicans wouldn’t like that because “more brown people!”

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        For me the simplest example is teen pregnancy. They say they want to reduce it, but they don’t support contraceptives or sex ed. Just abstinence. Which doesn’t work.

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      11 months ago

      but ensuring tax payer money is spent efficiently and wisely is a good position to have.

      The modern Republican party believes in fiscal responsibility in the same way that the National Socialist party believes in socialism.

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      Cutting taxes is not “fiscal responsibility,” debt does not work the way they think it does, countries are not businesses, and Republicans have always been wrong on the economy.

      People who are “fiscally conservative” are as ill-informed as communists.

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        Cutting ineffective taxes certainly is a smart fiscal move. Let’s take an example where fiscal responsibility will lead to a better outcome, Healthcare.

        We all know the Healthcare industry is full of bloated expenses that function to reward insurance agencies. If we put in place a Universal Healthcare system it must be fiscally responsible to lower costs, end insurance companies from gaming the system, and provide the level of funding to support it while providing taxpayers with a stellar return on investment. If done correctly all Americans would see a vast reduction in Healthcare costs, better access to medical care, and the nation prospers for generations to come.

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          This would require raising taxes, and is absolutely a thing we should do, as the majority of Americans would take home around 10-13% more income, in addition to savings at point-of-sale. I’ve done the math using UK tax rates. Companies would also save money, as health insurance costs rise faster than wages.

          Most people don’t realize this, because they don’t understand how much their health insurance costs their employer. This is not about efficiency, but rather addressing externalities and perverse incentives in the health care market as it stands.

          Regardless, this is neither here nor there - non-pigouvian taxes in the US are generally extremely efficient and produce far more in real value than they cost in tax dollars.

          Why Democrats aren’t blasting these two points out over every social media channel, always, is an institutional failure, imo.

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            Democrats are unable to sell anything. They are too intelligent to understand how to sell a good idea to someone below their education level.

            Try selling your Healthcare ideas to your neighbors four year old. That is why Democrats can’t sell, they operate at too high of a level.

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      “fiscal responsibility” to conservatives means cutting social programs, education, and making it more difficult for women and minorities to access healthcare, while pouring trillions into the military industrial complex and awarding contracts to the companies they own shares in.