Live by the sword, die by the sword. We let Gazan children die because of who their parents voted for. I’m not saying two wrong make a right but that doing what is right starts with us.
I know. I have always wished for Bernie to be president but nothing I tried (and I tried) was enought to get my boy elected, nor my local Democrat (I live in a red state unfortunately).
Imagine a group of criminals holding a police station hostage. You are not the hostages, you are the ones who are supposed to take care of the hostage takers.
Fuck you, don’t assume that shit on me. I voted, I volunteered on phone banks, I tried talking to whomever you listen on why this guy was a bad deal all the way back from 2015, and it was never for that walking piece of human excrement.
Yeah, fuck that guy. It’s not fault my a third if the country fell for the propaganda, and a third of the country didn’t care enough to even vote. I will not be held personally responsible for convincing all of the American voting populous to get their heads out of their asses.
It’s hard to blame the people who stayed home when disenfranchisement is an intended feature of your electoral system. The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter and a huge number cannot get time off on the weekday it is scheduled for.
If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem. Your electoral system is completely captured by capital and you are stuck blaming the electorate.
Folks please: US corruption is not a cultural or personal issue, it is systemic. Power corrupts, not just people, but systems. The US has been at the head of the global hegemon for most of the last century, they have most of the billionaires, of course they are corrupt. That’s where capitalists focus their efforts to get the most returns. It’s not an accident that the guy doing DOGE just happened to be the richest man on the planet.
Maybe focus your energy there instead of on the people who have literally no power.
The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter
If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem.
You understand that in a two party system, these two statements are basically incompatible?
Especially when you consider that we have early voting starting a month before the election, along with mail-in voting being available in nearly every state. If you didn’t vote, it’s because you didn’t want to vote, not because you couldn’t vote. Yes, some degree of civic participation is expected, welcome to being an adult.
Someone commented just a few days ago that voting blue in OK was pointless. I brought up some stats that if every one of the non-voters in OK had voted in the last election, Kamala could have carried the state with 200k people to spare.
If all of the people who stayed home would have been kamala voters then it sounds like she failed to inspire them to vote. It sounds like she lost an election.
Yes, if an unprecedented, impossible turnout occurred then dems might’ve won, but that’s not actually a strategy, that’s fantasy. Assuming there isn’t some level of divine intervention, then people are right that their vote doesn’t matter, because this is the real world where we already know a plurality of people don’t vote.
It’s almost like voter disenfranchisement works.
I don’t know why liberals can’t get this basic concept: if electoralism is meaningful at all, then the electorate cannot be wrong.
If the electorate voted “wrong” then your democracy doesn’t do what it claims to, it does not represent the people. <- this is actually the correct answer btw
Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.
The electorate didn’t fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.
It only “works” because the individual voter did not vote.
Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.
IMHO, it achieves a lot more than voting 3rd party.
The electorate didn’t fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.
The electorate failed themselves. They listened to Russian propaganda about Kamla killing babies in Palestine. They fell for republicans fantasies of red strongholds so tough that Democrats shouldn’t even bother voting. They fell for the general apathy about their choice sown by foreign assets and transmitted like a fucking online mind virus.
All I can say is; They may not have voted for trump, but they definitely voted for this.
You live in a different universe where talk matters more than actions and individual voters have more power than the systems and people that consistently screw them over.
If only there were some way that the people could kind of ha e their say and direct lawmakers th address some of these problems. The people need to choose some kind of representative that propose and pursue these changes. Imagine if you could just kind of “poll” the will of the people and add up everyone’s choices to choose a representative.
Look, I get it. You are mad too, that trump is bringing you all down. However, this isn’t just a trump thing. This isn’t just a now thing. This is something that has been going on for decades, maybe even longer than most of us have been alive. The US is known for being arrogant, ignorant, prideful, and idiotic. Most non-americans have talked to americans online over the years and likely tried to explain what is wrong with their country, healthcare, pay, racism, nationalism etc. Most likely have been met with ‘hate us causee they aint us’, ‘better dead than red’. ‘USA USA USA’, or some other prideful bullshit.
For decades you lot have all looked down on the rest of world, assuming you are doing the best, because you are born in the best country in the universe, raised the best way possible, pledging you allegiance to your flags, drinking up the nationalistic propaganda. For decades. And now, this trump shit has made the rest of the world say, nah fam we don’t like this. And you all have the gall to say. Its not us, dont blame us, we didn’t do it.
Like shit. You guys made the bed, and have been making the bed for decades. Just because it’s been shat in now doesn’t mean you didn’t make it.
Grow up, accept that, deal with it. Get your shit in order, fix it.
Maybe then. In a few decades when the world can see you’ve fixed all systemic problems they might accept you again.
Maybe.
Whatever bro. I’m doing everything I can without sacrifice my entire life to the meat grinder. The fact that you’re still free and not in prison is proof that you haven’t done anything more than I have, because all that’s left is the illegal shit.
No, I’m free because I live in a country that gives at least half a shit about freedom. Not, like, just the word “freedom,” but … you know. The thing itself.
Dear Iran, leave us Americans out of this fight. Your fight is with trump alone, we are hostages of him. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
lol, you elected him… TWICE
I did not, but yeah collectively we as a country did.
yes, that’s what I meant… sorry you are in this situation
Live by the sword, die by the sword. We let Gazan children die because of who their parents voted for. I’m not saying two wrong make a right but that doing what is right starts with us.
I know. I have always wished for Bernie to be president but nothing I tried (and I tried) was enought to get my boy elected, nor my local Democrat (I live in a red state unfortunately).
I admit I failed to press the button that would have solved that
admitting it is cool and all, but would have been super awesome if you weren’t a huge pile of shit 8 months ago.
Imagine a group of criminals holding a police station hostage. You are not the hostages, you are the ones who are supposed to take care of the hostage takers.
You voted(or didn’t) for him and are responsible. Good luck, leave the rest of the world out of this.
Sincerely the world.
Fuck you, don’t assume that shit on me. I voted, I volunteered on phone banks, I tried talking to whomever you listen on why this guy was a bad deal all the way back from 2015, and it was never for that walking piece of human excrement.
Stand back, everyone. This guy made phone calls. I’m sure MAGA knows better than to show their face in this guy’s neighborhood!
More than many people did, though. Including you.
Did you vote against him? Did you read what I wrote? Then why so mad? Reading comprehension needs to increase in the US as well I see.
Edit: you need to read and understand before commenting.
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No, it doesn’t. Maybe you need to improve your reading comprehension as well.
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Mods here are corrupted move along. Deleted my post for telling someone to fuck off who rightfully deserved it. Just as bad as reddit.
Yeah, fuck that guy. It’s not fault my a third if the country fell for the propaganda, and a third of the country didn’t care enough to even vote. I will not be held personally responsible for convincing all of the American voting populous to get their heads out of their asses.
It’s hard to blame the people who stayed home when disenfranchisement is an intended feature of your electoral system. The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter and a huge number cannot get time off on the weekday it is scheduled for.
If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem. Your electoral system is completely captured by capital and you are stuck blaming the electorate.
Folks please: US corruption is not a cultural or personal issue, it is systemic. Power corrupts, not just people, but systems. The US has been at the head of the global hegemon for most of the last century, they have most of the billionaires, of course they are corrupt. That’s where capitalists focus their efforts to get the most returns. It’s not an accident that the guy doing DOGE just happened to be the richest man on the planet.
Maybe focus your energy there instead of on the people who have literally no power.
You understand that in a two party system, these two statements are basically incompatible?
Especially when you consider that we have early voting starting a month before the election, along with mail-in voting being available in nearly every state. If you didn’t vote, it’s because you didn’t want to vote, not because you couldn’t vote. Yes, some degree of civic participation is expected, welcome to being an adult.
Someone commented just a few days ago that voting blue in OK was pointless. I brought up some stats that if every one of the non-voters in OK had voted in the last election, Kamala could have carried the state with 200k people to spare.
If all of the people who stayed home would have been kamala voters then it sounds like she failed to inspire them to vote. It sounds like she lost an election.
Yes, if an unprecedented, impossible turnout occurred then dems might’ve won, but that’s not actually a strategy, that’s fantasy. Assuming there isn’t some level of divine intervention, then people are right that their vote doesn’t matter, because this is the real world where we already know a plurality of people don’t vote.
It’s almost like voter disenfranchisement works.
I don’t know why liberals can’t get this basic concept: if electoralism is meaningful at all, then the electorate cannot be wrong.
If the electorate voted “wrong” then your democracy doesn’t do what it claims to, it does not represent the people. <- this is actually the correct answer btw
Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.
The electorate didn’t fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.
It only “works” because the individual voter did not vote.
IMHO, it achieves a lot more than voting 3rd party.
The electorate failed themselves. They listened to Russian propaganda about Kamla killing babies in Palestine. They fell for republicans fantasies of red strongholds so tough that Democrats shouldn’t even bother voting. They fell for the general apathy about their choice sown by foreign assets and transmitted like a fucking online mind virus.
All I can say is; They may not have voted for trump, but they definitely voted for this.
You live in a different universe where talk matters more than actions and individual voters have more power than the systems and people that consistently screw them over.
That’s not a gap I can bridge.
If only there were some way that the people could kind of ha e their say and direct lawmakers th address some of these problems. The people need to choose some kind of representative that propose and pursue these changes. Imagine if you could just kind of “poll” the will of the people and add up everyone’s choices to choose a representative.
Lol
Look, I get it. You are mad too, that trump is bringing you all down. However, this isn’t just a trump thing. This isn’t just a now thing. This is something that has been going on for decades, maybe even longer than most of us have been alive. The US is known for being arrogant, ignorant, prideful, and idiotic. Most non-americans have talked to americans online over the years and likely tried to explain what is wrong with their country, healthcare, pay, racism, nationalism etc. Most likely have been met with ‘hate us causee they aint us’, ‘better dead than red’. ‘USA USA USA’, or some other prideful bullshit.
For decades you lot have all looked down on the rest of world, assuming you are doing the best, because you are born in the best country in the universe, raised the best way possible, pledging you allegiance to your flags, drinking up the nationalistic propaganda. For decades. And now, this trump shit has made the rest of the world say, nah fam we don’t like this. And you all have the gall to say. Its not us, dont blame us, we didn’t do it.
Like shit. You guys made the bed, and have been making the bed for decades. Just because it’s been shat in now doesn’t mean you didn’t make it.
Grow up, accept that, deal with it. Get your shit in order, fix it.
Maybe then. In a few decades when the world can see you’ve fixed all systemic problems they might accept you again. Maybe.
Yeah, the right move here is to refuse to take responsibility. Coward.
Dumbass. I will never take responsibility for some shit I didn’t do. This is the same logic as racism, so get the fuck out of here with you bullshit
You’re doing a great job illustrating why it’s been so easy for the US to completely fuck up everything good it ever had going for it.
Whatever bro. I’m doing everything I can without sacrifice my entire life to the meat grinder. The fact that you’re still free and not in prison is proof that you haven’t done anything more than I have, because all that’s left is the illegal shit.
No, I’m free because I live in a country that gives at least half a shit about freedom. Not, like, just the word “freedom,” but … you know. The thing itself.
Hope you keep this attitude when your country does something fucked up.
No, you’re responsible because you’re doing fuck all about the problem.