He wasn’t a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler’s image, and that of the Nazi’s in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the ‘clean wehrmacht’ myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent’s viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.
I’m one of the dirty baby eating atheists, fwiw. Raised in christian fundamentalism. (Technically, I’m an agnostic Atheist.)
Read the article that answersplease posted below. According to that he was some sort of pantheist.
Ultimately, I think these guys are functional agnostics no matter what they claimed or even belive. The drive required to possess that level of power and manipulate everyone on your side and kill the Other doesn’t leave any room except for worship of self. I guess they’re amoral, but I’m not sure if labels like narcissist or sociopath always apply. You don’t have to be one of those to do great evil, just incredibly selfish and greedy. Chump may be an exception here, he’s obviously a fragile narcissist chasing daddy’s love.
For most of them, religion is just another tool to get what they want. They’ll change their beliefs to suit their desires. Musk is a good example, going from a darling of the left to the right. He was always a reptile in a skin suit, and for a while he made LGBTQ and environmental noises because that got him what he wanted.
I’ll look into Clean Wermarcht when i have time to fall into a rabbit hole. My question above was a genuine statement of what I knew of the subject. It’s interesting even though the entire thing is enraging.
You say he was, and then post an article that concludes
it seems evident his religion was closest to pantheism
and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn’t either.
Then there’s “Mein Kampf” where Hitler himself talks about continuing “the work of the Lord”.
So glaube ich heute im Sinne des allmächtigen Schöpfers zu handeln: Indem ich mich des Juden erwehre, kämpfe ich für das Werk des Herren.
So today I believe I am acting in the spirit of the almighty Creator: By resisting the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.
A speech of him from 1927:
Wir müssen Gott danken für diese Gnade. (…) Gott hat Völker, aber keine Klassen geschaffen.
We must thank God for this grace. (…) God created peoples, not classes.
And a speech from 1939:
Es sei „eine Anmaßung, anzunehmen, daß der liebe Gott die Welt nur für ein oder zwei Völker geschaffen habe.“
It is “presumptuous to assume that the dear/good Lord created the world only for one or two peoples.”
“Der liebe Gott” is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.
Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?
Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.
Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:
he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon
Good writeup man, but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff… but thatwill remain subjective still. That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.
Hitler was not an Atheist. What the fuck are you talking about?
I thought Hitler was some sort of vegan atheist with a little sprinkle of occult Arayan BS? Christian trappings were for the masses and rank and file?
Personal general impression, no source.
He wasn’t a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler’s image, and that of the Nazi’s in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the ‘clean wehrmacht’ myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent’s viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.
It’s… unpleasant, to say the least.
I’m one of the dirty baby eating atheists, fwiw. Raised in christian fundamentalism. (Technically, I’m an agnostic Atheist.)
Read the article that answersplease posted below. According to that he was some sort of pantheist.
Ultimately, I think these guys are functional agnostics no matter what they claimed or even belive. The drive required to possess that level of power and manipulate everyone on your side and kill the Other doesn’t leave any room except for worship of self. I guess they’re amoral, but I’m not sure if labels like narcissist or sociopath always apply. You don’t have to be one of those to do great evil, just incredibly selfish and greedy. Chump may be an exception here, he’s obviously a fragile narcissist chasing daddy’s love.
For most of them, religion is just another tool to get what they want. They’ll change their beliefs to suit their desires. Musk is a good example, going from a darling of the left to the right. He was always a reptile in a skin suit, and for a while he made LGBTQ and environmental noises because that got him what he wanted.
I’ll look into Clean Wermarcht when i have time to fall into a rabbit hole. My question above was a genuine statement of what I knew of the subject. It’s interesting even though the entire thing is enraging.
He was:
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else
Regardless even if he was a “christian”, he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.
You say he was, and then post an article that concludes
and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn’t either.
Then there’s “Mein Kampf” where Hitler himself talks about continuing “the work of the Lord”.
This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.
A speech of him from 1927:
And a speech from 1939:
“Der liebe Gott” is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.
Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?
Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.
Every attempt to make him a “not christian” comes down to “no true scotsman”, as you skillfully demonstrate:
Good writeup man, but it’s still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff… but thatwill remain subjective still. That’s why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.
This is literally every argument Christians make in defense of their hateful ideology.
They really should change the name of the fallacy to “no true Christian”