I can’t tell whether you’re being tautologically absurd or whether you believe there’s some important distinction there that you’re just not sharing with us.
i still don’t get what you don’t understand? human beings have moved well beyond the need for male/female, yet here we are instead of dealing with human beings as a whole, and some can produce babies and some cannot, the fact that we even talk about it moves the human being beyond animalistic or even biologic. Men did this to themselves by continuing to be ‘men’ and not just being human…clearer?
Whilst I admire your desire to desire to remove the barriers between people there are still differences between the sexes, both biological and socially enforced (by both men and women).
Men did this to themselves by continuing to be ‘men’ and not just being human…clearer?
For someone who claims to want to treat people as ‘humans’ instead of men and women, that’s a pretty hypocritical statement to make. Men are supposedly bad for not transcending their ‘male’ group identitity and becoming gender-less humans - but you’re okay with denigrating them based on their group identity?
Men do not exist in a vacuum and you’ve fallen in to the classic trap of blaming them for the society in which they find themselves.
men do not exist, humans who can birth and humans who cannot…you’re argument falls flat because “men” choose to be men, not just humans with masculine characteristics…
it amazes me how you miss the point entirely, “man” and “woman” are chosen due to society…there are people…some can give birth, some can’t…we as a society have chosen to separate them into ‘men’ and ‘women’…the fact that we discuss this makes the whole biologic irrelevant…
I’m all for abolishing gender, and I firmly believe that gender is a social construct, but that doesn’t mean gender is a choice (at least currently), nor does it mean that genders/men don’t exist.
Just because you and I feel that gender is useless to us (and arguably to society) doesn’t mean others have to feel the same way. Gender is oppressive, but it doesn’t have to be
What it means to be “a man” is not the same as all the toxic bullshit currently associated with being a man. Trans men should be allowed to identify as men without it also meaning that they’re bad people.
…i thought my words were clear and indicative, what part do you not understand?..
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I can’t tell whether you’re being tautologically absurd or whether you believe there’s some important distinction there that you’re just not sharing with us.
i still don’t get what you don’t understand? human beings have moved well beyond the need for male/female, yet here we are instead of dealing with human beings as a whole, and some can produce babies and some cannot, the fact that we even talk about it moves the human being beyond animalistic or even biologic. Men did this to themselves by continuing to be ‘men’ and not just being human…clearer?
Whilst I admire your desire to desire to remove the barriers between people there are still differences between the sexes, both biological and socially enforced (by both men and women).
For someone who claims to want to treat people as ‘humans’ instead of men and women, that’s a pretty hypocritical statement to make. Men are supposedly bad for not transcending their ‘male’ group identitity and becoming gender-less humans - but you’re okay with denigrating them based on their group identity?
Men do not exist in a vacuum and you’ve fallen in to the classic trap of blaming them for the society in which they find themselves.
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men do not exist, humans who can birth and humans who cannot…you’re argument falls flat because “men” choose to be men, not just humans with masculine characteristics…
So every child is a man until they hit puberty, noted. And after menopause, every woman is automatically turned into a man.
Can we stop relating people’s identities to what’s happening between their legs?
it amazes me how you miss the point entirely, “man” and “woman” are chosen due to society…there are people…some can give birth, some can’t…we as a society have chosen to separate them into ‘men’ and ‘women’…the fact that we discuss this makes the whole biologic irrelevant…
Why do you choose the ability to give birth as the deciding factor if you say that the biological part is irrelevant?
I’m all for abolishing gender, and I firmly believe that gender is a social construct, but that doesn’t mean gender is a choice (at least currently), nor does it mean that genders/men don’t exist.
Just because you and I feel that gender is useless to us (and arguably to society) doesn’t mean others have to feel the same way. Gender is oppressive, but it doesn’t have to be
What it means to be “a man” is not the same as all the toxic bullshit currently associated with being a man. Trans men should be allowed to identify as men without it also meaning that they’re bad people.