How can you guys tell that conservatives think Americans will care about Clinton? Doesn’t that assume logic? An understanding of how we think?
I’m pretty sure they’re just repeating what they’ve heard.
We call them racist, so they shout “that’s racist!” at us.
We call their actions unconstitutional, so they say leftist policies are unconstitutional.
They don’t care about science or evidence or even internal consistency. Yet we gotta pretend like they’re… substantial. As if anything they say is serious.
I’m in the UK, I want to know everyone listed on the files. They can all be investigated whether they’re left, right or British royalty. They’re criminals of the very worst kind and the victims deserve justice and we deserve them being locked away so they can’t do it again.
It’s always so funny to me when I see people on the right act like we wouldn’t care if someone on “our side” was on the list.
Like dude, I don’t know if you know this, but unlike you all, we don’t blindly treat politicians as gods that can do no wrong. If they’re a pedophile, fuck 'em. We don’t give a shit 😆
If they’re a pedophile, fuck 'em.
That’s what prison is for!
Prison rape jokes: not funny.
Weirdly, it’s kinda that way with all rape jokes.
Remember, Bill Clinton was president 25 years ago, when many of today’s voters were not even BORN.
He became president in 1993, 32 years ago. And he’s still younger than the man who became president this year.
Wow, now that is some serious perspective. What is up with geriatric leaders!?
Even most of the status-quo liberal voters don’t even care about corrupt dems getting exposed, its always conservatives treating this shit like a sports game.
This is a huge difference between Republican and Democrat voters. One side protects their own, and the other wants people to answer for their crimes.
When Republicans commit rape, nothing happens to them.
When Al Fraken made unwanted advances and ended it there, he resigned in disgrace.
Democratic voters care, Democratic politicians do not give a shit at all and would gladly throw the voters under the bus.
When Al Fraken made unwanted advances and ended it there, he resigned in disgrace.
This isn’t even what happened. Man that was such bullshit.
Right? Even before he was in Congress he was a comedian. If I recall correctly, during a live performance for troops, I think, he pretended to grope a female wearing a flak vest. It was all in jest with everyone laughing about it on the video. The female victim didn’t even think it was a big deal, if I recall, and didn’t think he should have any punishment for it. It was so disheartening to watch it all play out.
The right is fine using cancel culture to force a Democrat to resign, but Republicans literally lie, cheat, steal, and harass and there’s nothing but crickets from them.
I believe the primary instigator calling for Franken’s resignation was actually Kirsten Gillibrand who did so to try and elevate her national profile when vying for the democratic presidential nomination
Unfortunately, honor has no place in politics. Once you require honor to keep things working, the dishonorable ones will always win.
Checks and balances was supposed to keep this crap in check, but it’s based on… honor.
Maybe we can give Dante Basco a gun and have him hold them in check. One of his more famous roles had him saying honor a lot.
LOL, don’t worry, I hardly ever mention it in normal life. Moderation through extreme waffling.
BTW thanks for adding in the reference, i probably would not have know of his or his ramous role issue. Cheers!
I didn’t think they’re willing to accept this isn’t another “us vs them” situation. They’re unable to frame it any other way, even if it’s an issue we’re in agreement on.
The problem is that they believe their in-group to be categorically innocent. They have a double standard of when a rightwinger does X then it’s good, but when anybody else does X then it’s bad. And when they are lawmakers and judges doling out who gets affected, they will keep their in-group clean.
We’re not in an agreement, Republicans are without remorse protecting rapists, they only pretended to care when they could use it as a political weapon because they think we’re doing the same. If this weren’t the facts then Trump would never have been reelected.
I firmly believe we can only appeal to their selfish needs to turn them over, talking about financial security, taxes, loss of religious freedom, and how much they’re losing to the rich.
It’s like they’ve forgotten we already knew Clinton is a predator
It is embarrassing to acknowledge that I was alive in the 90s and literally everyone blamed Monica Lewinsky for her actions. She was a 22 year old staffer, predated on by the most powerful man in the world and the entire public dialogue was centered around her choices “as an adult.” It is just shameful how it was handled in the public dialogue.
I’m glad that she survived the ordeal and is now a thriving advocate for victims.
I was a kid and remember wondering why the news was acting like it was her fault. My dad actually thought about moving the family out of the country, because “if Clinton couldn’t stay faithful to his wife, how could he stay faithful to the nation?”
That seems so… Quaint
Like, that was the thing that would make someone think about moving out back then?
You’re not wrong! He’s deeply religious, but also autistic, so some of his stances are interesting if you don’t understand how his mind works.
Fwiw he disowned me for leaving the catholic church lol
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Oh they’re going to expose as many Democrats as possible, they even handed Maxwell a list of names to testify with before they released her.
sucks that they avoid accountability by doing this. but I totally want to see the DNC go down for sitting on the files for two years and letting fascism come back because it was a reliable campaigning ticket.
like, the opportunity to prevent this the whole time was right there but dear lord help us if we ever cause any inconvenience to the Clintons. did you know they worked with Obama?
You can’t both oppose fascism and oppose the only alternative to fascism, that’s just supporting fascism with extra steps. Trump was en route to being convicted again if Garland didn’t fuck up the expedited prosecution and if Trump weren’t reelected president despite his many crimes. I don’t think there is enough info in the files to charge anybody, maybe releasing the Epstein Files would have been a great move but hindsight is 20/20.
“the only opposition to fascism”
I’m not even going to acknowledge the notion that there was a lack of evidence to convict anyone. Even a passing knowledge of how the Epstein case played out will tell you everyone involved was just being protected. Usually by other pedophiles but sometimes by idiots too.
Less like “see if I care” and more like “if he’s a child molester I WANT him in prison”
Mr. Rogers could be on that list and I’d still want it released.
Send them all to jail!
Anyone involved in any way should rot in a cell for the rest of their existence.
I like that Trump has started saying Obama is in the files - like that would make the left want to keep them hidden.
The modern American right has institutions like Fox News and Sinclair. Those are laser focused on daily PR initiatives to protect its crooks. The left doesn’t have laser focused institutions like that. They’re comically disorganized, and as a result, and the base isn’t hearing the exact same spin from all of their media channels.
Even if Obama was in those files, a PR effort to protect him wouldn’t be effective, and the left wing voters wouldn’t want to protect him.
like that would make the left want to keep them hidden.
None of this is for the sake of actual progressives/leftists/dems.
He’s saying this rhetoric for his base, his supporters are his only political capital and it’s a strong one. He is preserving the narrative.
The people who hang on his every word like it’s WWE theater with villains and bad guys ONLY understand this story in terms of good guys and bad guys, they cannot conceive of the “other side” not seeing it the same way, they get angry at the notion that there are people who aren’t locked into the personality narratives, it’s not a matter of consistency or hypocrisy to them, they don’t give a shit about that because… again… it’s a narrative, a story. Stories have good guys and bad guys and plot twists, and if you say you don’t care, you’re just saying you’re not involved in the story so why are you even talking about it?
Trying to explain this to them from the outside, from a “meta” perspective is like trying to convince your 17-year-old cousin Kyle that WWE isn’t real. He will look at you blank and get mad and punch a hole in the wall because you’re trying to make him feel bad, not that you’re revealing anything about the show. He doesn’t CARE about if the show is real or not. Cognitive dissonance is hardwired into much of our population’s brains, Trump’s crew just found a way to connect it to politics in a cheap, easy-to-digest format, just like he learned while working with WWE and reality TV.
The more we say “I don’t care, expose them too” it only makes maga chuds tune out and ignore you. You’re just saying to them that you’re not involved and don’t care about the story.
This is really hard for a lot of people with more than a few hundred brain cells to comprehend but if we accepted sooner that this is how people engage in politics in this country we probably could have written better stories ourselves a lot sooner and engaged at least a portion of these mindless guthogs away from Trump and AT LEAST got them to not vote.
Unfortunately I’ve lost any hope of them being released in a form that isn’t redacted to absolve anyone Trump doesn’t consider an enemy
Heck! they’ve been perfectly content presenting edited video as evidence, I’d be surprised if they didn’t just write up new files and pretend they’re the originals
