• Tyra@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all. The murder rate in San Francisco is still too high, if you compare it with other nations and their cities. Considering how much surveillance and how much money their government pumps in the police system… you would think they finally would wake up and find out that all those measures are only in place to protect the capital of the ruling class and not the citizens…

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      2 days ago

      Yeah, the 32 of 827k population SF is pretty damn awful when compared to the 54 of 6m population Denmark or the 13 of 1.4m population Copenhagen…

      One of a million pieces of data pointing at the fact that surveillance and law enforcement is NOT how you bring down crime.

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        23 hours ago

        I’m going to make an educated guess at two big reasons as to why the US has a much higher murder rate compared to other wealthy nations: guns and income inequality.

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          in both sf and houston is pretty well demarcated areas that are more affluent and the poor areas. most of them were probably near the tenderloin area too.

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      It blows my mind how US americans just accept that they are having such a high murder rate at all.

      Genuine question (for you or anyone else with the same mentality): what would you do? Everyone on this website talks about how weird Americans are for just “being ok with everything going on” when in fact most of us aren’t and have practically no ability to do anything about it that doesn’t result in our own immediate death.

      Besides, “amass enough capital (in a system designed to prevent you from amassing capital) to leave this shitty country”, what would you actually do? Since it’s mind blowing that we’re not doing it and all…

      (Sorry if this comes across as angry or directed at you, it’s frustrating to live in a dumpster fire and read comments all day from people not in the dumpster fire implying that I’m just totally ok with said dumpster fire.)

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        There are multiple factors contributing to high murder rates:

        • Guns: ban them.
        • Mental health: provide free support for mental health issue, including a phone number where people can safely report friends and relatives in crisis. Today if you report, they send police officers totally untrained and unprepared for these situations and that easily ends up in drama
        • Gangs: a lot of the murders are gang members against gang members. There is no miraculous solution to that. But I would advocate: decriminalize possession of small amounts of drugs, provide shooting rooms with support (both physical and mental) freely available. I would even support offering drugs substitutes for free under control. If the drug price collapses, their business collapses.

        So: vote for someone who will support social science based policies.

        I’m sorry there are no easier way. “Get tough on crime” is the solution that was experimented the most and has proven again and again to be inefficient.

        Edit: you may already be doing that, don’t take this as an assumption you don’t. I understand the frustration and that feeling of being powerless while people ask you “why aren’t you DOING something about it?”.

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        As an individual: Definitely leave. Generally I think some people ought to shut up and get the hell out instead of impotently complaining online.

        I think what these posters are asking about, though, is how it is possible that the American people in aggregate support this system? And they do. Just like how about half of Israelis support Netanyahu. Sure sure. Electoral college, voting system, bla bla. Trump won the popular vote against Harris. How? This is clearly an electorate that itself is the problem. The people of the US doesn’t suffer under its government. The people of the US suffers because it chooses to.

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          2 days ago

          Leave to become an immigrant in another country that ends up deporting us?

          Using all this money that we don’t have?

          Bringing our direct family with us, tearing them away from friendships and other family?

          Cool idea

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            21 hours ago

            I see you want to live in the US after all. Valid thing to do. But don’t complain about the consequences.

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              you act as if leaving a country like the US, and emigrating to another is that easy? its not the EU where you can move much more freely in the continent. cultural, financial, language barriers exists.

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              And what about the consequences of leaving? You expect me to think the US is the only country that has been becoming more hostile to immigrants?

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      Oh, some of us a are very aware. But theres not much we can do when living in a facist police state that has half the country raving mad about where people shit with their fearmongering propaganda.