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Don’t forget all the Europeans here on Lemmy
I’m Canadian and don’t really wish it because it would be a very messy thing, but in a way, I’m thinking, if the US is stuck in a civil war, at least the chances of it invading my country should be much lower.
Like, it would be shitty, but at least countries that are now threatened to be annexed or invaded by the US could maybe breathe a little easier, and see Americans killing Americans for once, instead of people in other countries.
But if the US is in a civil war, the EU will accept war refugees… right? Right? 👀
(pls lemme in 🥺👉👈)
In part paid for by wealthy Americans.
Nations are just a tool for the wealthy.
Nepal just proved the tech for implementing a Direct Democracy works and is possible in the current world.
Hopefully, soon, we can have political systems where we remove the problem of having to have representatives.
I’m kinda skeptical of “voting” online.
I mean, how do you preserve ballot secrecy and vote integrity while being online at the same time?
In nepal’s case, they had a consensus, and they didn’t really have ballot secrecy, and what if it was 51/49 split?
There are already countries that have implemented this system officially. It’s probably inevitable.
Cybersecurity works when it’s actually funded, same as physical election security
Works for Switzerland. Why not Nepal?
They stopped fighting over land and just decided to buy
I mean criminals use psychology and business now too… You can make your enemy kill themselves without touching a weapon. You can make a kid kill an influencer too… But that’s probably criminal feds…
This is the Liberal’s version of “blame the foreigners” similar to how the Fascists blame immigrants.
It couldn’t possible the fault of insiders, many incredibly wealthy including some who actually own most of the fucking Press, plus yet others in positions of power and influence.
Of course not, those are “our” people. The country couldn’t possible be fucked up because of “our” people. The only explanation is those filthy foreigners.
It’s the exact same tribalist bollocks being deploye to protect the real monsters which are very much inside the walls, it’s just that one group of right wingers blame immigrants and the other blames foreign states - one arse, two cheeks, same shit.
Even more funny when this bollocks is used for America as done here is that thr one single country which American politicians support unwaveringly even when it’s against the very interests of America - Israel - ain’t one of the “filthy foreigners intervening in our nation”. I would looove to hear an explanation of how Russia or even China influence America more than Israel.
Whatever those nations are trying to do to manipulate America and Americans, it’s nothing compared with what some specific Americans are doing to the rest, especially the ones which own parts of the Press - China and Russia have very little influence in the country compared with those extremely wealthy people towards whom the Liberals point no fingers.
Hey bud, both are possible.
Its crazy that we have literal proof that these countries have tens of thousands 9-5 employees who’s entire job is to fuck the internet with lies and its just so normalized an accepted.
Shit is almost as bad as American mainstream media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneers_of_China
It’s literally the American “Pledge of Allegience” on steroids. In fact, when I first immigrated to the US, I just thought the pledge was a “normal” thing, like a ritual, that every country does (I was a non-citizen at the time so I remained silent of course). But then Europeans told me it wasn’t normal.
and yet some instances get triggered when you state this fact
People still get mad at me when I point this out to them, like I’ve just told them the Earth is flat.
No, Biden didn’t lose just cause he was old. No, Labour UK isn’t tanking in the polls just cause they’re disappointing (the Conservatives were awful for 13 years and still won plenty elections). There’s more. There’s foreign meddling. And these people just refuse to believe it, as if their countries are impenetrable bubbles.
The meddling is foreign and domestic and it comes from $$$$$$$.
There is definitely foreign meddling but Keir Starmer ain’t making it any harder too
I used to work in organic growth and it’s crazy what you could do in astroturf or brand growth as just a normal person. To think that governments that cannot be challenged would restrain themselves from using this weapon is sadly too optimistic.
The reason why EU and US arent so blatant because they can’t just start a troll farm with publics approval.
The reason why EU and US arent so blatant because they can’t just start a troll farm with publics approval.
Doesn’t reddit use heavily correspond to US military bases?
Why would the U.S. need public approval for a troll farm? That shit is highly classified. If you think the U.S. doesn’t do the same thing we accuse Russia and China of doing, I gotta bridge to sell you.
You can’t really hide thousands of employees under some maticsl “classified” seal.
5th generation warfare. https://digital.sandiego.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1293&context=ilj
These lame ass civil war pushers don’t realize we are already in a war. They talk there shit as if we are going to be packing muskets in the street.
who’s entire job
I agree. Who IS Job? Entirely. Just a fictional man or the basis of a remade Sumerian fable repackaged by the Greeks for the Essenes and their conquest?
If you forgive the cognitive effort involved, do you mind sharing the proof or evidence
True, but question: do you believe the US is doing the same or not? Whether it’s the actual government or companies
It doesn’t matter if its the US, Russia or China.
Leading governments launching campaigns to destabilize countries of millions of people while promoting their preferred fascist takeover has ultimately the same effect.
The working class suffers and loses while the elite endlessly benefit.
It’s an irrelevant question. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It just makes things more toxic. It’s wrong when the US does it, like anyone else. None of these governments with corrupt centralized power should exist. And this sort of propaganda doesn’t help people.
Agreed!
Of course not! The US is probably using LLMs.
The rubes keep falling for it and they get all emotional and violent about it rather than getting informed.
What choice do they have? You think they can just wake up one day and like… not be a useless stupid tool in society?
American bots:
Everything is normal
American bots:
Keep doing nothing. Resisting is what the Russians and Chinese want.I’m not Russian. I’m not Chinese. And I don’t think I’m a bot. All I want is for that orange kiddie fucker to be imprisoned.
If the lazy fucking americans do that then all is forgiven on my part. Until they come out and officially acknowledge that he’s a disgusting blob of human scum then I’ll never forgive or forget.
There are as many different American factions of influence farming as there are foreign, and likely equally in opposition of each other.
Some day the internet is just going to be this entirely dead realm of soulless bots screaming nonsense corporate and political ideology back and forth at each other which nobody will ever see, while humans are too busy trying to grow potatoes in their yards to stay alive.
If you’re not familiar with where this image came from, here’s the White Ninja archive. One of the most insanely great webcomics ever.
I have been thinking US probably requires a hard reset. But then I realised, this will only benefit Russia and China. Well, more for China. Russia’s expensive war in Ukraine won’t make the country last long in the future. No one worth their salt could replace Putin. If US breaks up or goes on civil war, China will be the ultimate winner.
It would (probably? I wanna say certainly) benefit the rest of the world too, Western Europe included (to the dissatisfaction of our current American bought, obscenely corrupt and greedy leaders, ofc).
It wouldn’t benefit the rest of the world. If your country has a business that makes anything, the US buys it. Europe and the US did half a trillion in business in 2024. A destabilized US hurts just about everyone. Makes you think it’s worth a hard look at who it doesn’t hurt, and I don’t just mean nations, but I diciduals and corporations.
Europe is still too dependent on the US military to decouple and be more independent own, unfortunately. The EU agreed to a trade deal/not-trade deal (according Von der Leyen) with Trump in European investment in the US military. I know Europeans were angry at that, but in the near term the EU doesn’t have the capability to arm itself sufficiently, while simultaneously arming Ukraine. IMO that deal was buying time for the EU to remilitarise independently (I’m not a fan of remilitarisation as a Euro but what can we do).
I often read “Europe needs the US military to defend itself” online, but is it actually true? Or just the US themselves saying that?
I often read “Europe needs the US military to defend itself” online, but is it actually true?
For now at least. Europe doesn’t have the same size of military industrial complex that US has at the moment. Europe needs more time to gear up.
Europe doesn’t have the same size of military industrial complex that US has at the moment.
I think it’s for the best. The US military industrial complex is not something that I would like to see replicated in Europe. Of course if the American standard is “police departments should have armored vehicles” then we are not on the same “level”, but do we really need that in order to have an effective military?
Your choices are to not decouple from the US or have a comparable MIC as a collective. You don’t have a comparable MIC because the US does it for you. But if you’re against the Trump administration, you have to support getting one.
I won’t go as far to say Europe “can’t survive” without the US, but Europeans seem to think the transition away won’t significantly change things and that’s not realistic.
Europe needs to have a comparable MIC
Again, says who? I do not believe we need to have a comparable spending, when that spending is >20% of the GDP during times of “peace”.
Honestly was just thinking about that earlier, how massively disappointing it must be for accelerationists and our enemies to throw so much time and energy at getting the left to start shit and we just don’t because very few of us are that dumb.
That said, it always pays off around election time when the left splinters and some radical self destructive buffoon gets empowered instead.
I find it hard to believe they really want it that much. Keeping Trump where he is will slowly do all the damage they need. On a global scale support for the U.S. is degrading, and things like Chinas currency being used for global trade is accelerating. At the rate things are going it is likely best for China to just let things take their current course. The wealth divide growing in the U.S. is going to do a lot of damage in the next 15 years. The conservative choices are just accelerating our downfall or complete need to move to a Universal base income and spread of wealth, if not a complete flop to a socialistic society. (Which will have a lot of backlash and possibly the civil war).
If another country really thought just one leftist would start a civil war and destroy the U.S., they would just blackmail or pay someone off to do it.
China, at least lately, haven’t been ones to just sit by and wait patiently. They’ve been actively and aggressively promoting the decline, even backing Trump during the election especially with their TikTok psyop.
Oh yea that shit is absolutely insane. They are literally sending propaganda to the overseas Chinese Diaspora that promotes trump and demonizes Democrats on Wechat. My parents keep parrotting right-wing talking points. So uncanny.
You mark my words: Russia is one thing, but the very second the US is suitably distracted with internal affairs and can be counted on to be unable to respond, Taiwan gets invaded over night. And that shit will spiral out of control very quickly, because China won’t stop there, and nobody else wants to have to learn Mandarin in the mandatory reeducation camp (or at all). Oh, I do beg your pardon, I meant to say “Harmonization Retreat”. In Mandarin, obviously. Wouldn’t want to compromise my social credit score.
Why? They want Taiwan for its leverage in the silicon industry and for reinforced access to the Pacific Ocean. They really don’t have any other military targets on their radar, unlike the USA which spent the last 70 years basically pissing all over the world even after the USSR fell. If you want proof, look at Pakistan. They threw billions of dollars at it, yet its a 100% shill platform for the US. They don’t really care about controlling it so long as they are getting paid and Pakistan continues to buffer India.
US is suitably distracted with internal affairs and can be counted on to be unable to respond
You seriously overestimate the US being “distracted” by internal affairs. I even doubt they’d recall forces around Taiwan during a hypothetical civil war. If anything, they’d see the insane value of ending a civil war by baiting China to attack.
Why? Because CCP and dictator Xi literally said they would countless times. Taiwan is an emberassment for CCP and the authoritarians can’t have that. The only reason China didn’t invade Taiwan as of yet is because they couldn’t and as soon as they can they will, that’s literally the official stance.
Jfc this comment is dripping with empire-sponsored fearmongering sinophobia
“CCP Bad” = Sinophobia?
LMFAO, you don’t even know what real Sinophobia looks like. People like you are delegitimizing all the actual racist encounters I’ve faced as an ethic Chinese in the US.
I don’t deny it, even though I’m not sure what ‘empire’ you’re referring to. The US presumably? Yeah, I live a little closer to China than that, and am generally not inclined to agree with the US on anything much these days.
Jfc this comment is dripping with empire-sponsored fear mongering americanophobia.
Lemmy users 🤝 governor of Utah
“I wish we could blame foreigners”
clearly everyone who says something you don’t like must be a Russian bot, Wikipedia says it
clearly unless Putin himself says it, everything is a lie.
I don’t care what Putin says, just pointing out xenophobia when I see it
Nice of you to equate Putin and the Russian Government with a complete foreign culture. I am sure he appreciates it.
not sure what you’re trying to say here, many Europeans and USians will act like they are. the ‘russian bot’ accusation is an automatic response to shut down dissenting speech that taps into that xenophobia.
I don’t blatantly accuse a person of being a bot generally. In fact I might never have done it once in Lemmy. However it is by now an established fact that many countries use bots to stoke extremism in far right, spread disinformation and meddle in foreign elections/referendums, Russian spearheading it and countries like US, Israel, Turkey in close pursuit. So fuck all those power hungry leeches who would kill half the world to live forever and see no problem in fucking up the world with right wing extremism. I hope they die suffocating in their own shit. That is what I am trying to say.
Exactly this is what’s happening.
Too many are eating it up.
I don’t think it’s simply Russia and China though… I think it’s just global wealthy business people, along with criminals. Basically the overlap of those two types of people.
Nations are used by the wealthy like the fed use the Mafia and the Mafia uses the street gangs and the street gangs use the simps and homeless. It’s all the same evil from the bottom to the top. The same dark part of human nature. This element of human nature resides in all tiers of the human social caste system.
It’s Russia and China, and there are people who benefit from the rhetoric within who amplify it as well.
This is well documented.
Nah. We can be more surgical than that, you hamhanded barbarians
Lol the eViL RuSSiAnS and ChInEsE fearmongering 🤣
That’s just .world for you, lib haven
Shoo fascist .ml shoo, go earn your 50 cents somewhere else 👏
And here they are, the lib .world users ha ha!
Return to your social reject cave .ml beast. Shoo shoo
Good luck spreading fascism when you’re likely gonna die from another maga bullet.
