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    “You” is also ungendered. There seems to be a common idea that English is missing a second person plural. We have one, it’s “you”. We just stopped using the second person singular. That’s what all those variations of “thee, thou, thy” etc were.

    “Y’all” would be a superpluralization. If that’s still not enough we also have the ultraplural form of, “all y’all”

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      Y’all is exclusive. All y’all is inclusive.

      If I walk into a party in a house and a group of my friends are there and I say ‘what are y’all doing here?’, I’m only talking to my friends.

      If I walk into my own house and there’s a party there and I say ‘what are all y’all doing here?’ I’m addressing everyone of the hoodlums in my house.

      Edit: To the person who down voted yet contributed nothing to the convo, please feel obliged to read up on clusivity in linguistics.

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        We’re very inclusive in Australia also.

        ‘G’day you bunch of cunts’ means hello to everyone male, female, known and unknown.

        We’re very polite over here.

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        Getting pressed enough about a single downvote to make an edit is cringe.

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        Yeah. We mostly think of grammatical number as a simple choice of singular vs plural but that’s not what we do in real life.

        We generally have multiple labels that describe the concept of progressively expanding circles of what’s included when we think of ourselves.

        There’s the very narrow sense of I/me/myself. We have various expansions around us/all’y’all. Jamaicans have the phrase “I and I” which focuses on the individual but explicitly calls out the connection with others.

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        Sounds right.
        Presumably “y’all’s” would be the second person superplural possessive.

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        We also have “Ya’” where we elide the entire ending and you need to determine plural vs singular from context. For example, “Ya’ can’t get thea, les’ ya been there befoa.”

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    Texas does not have a monopoly on y’all. Y’all is collective, both as a noun, and as ownership. Y’all is Southern for Comrade.

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    I refuse to accept Texas’ claim on y’all. Its a word collectively owned by everyone south of the mason-dixon line and I will fight to the death over this.

    Signed, floridaman

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    Shit, if ungendered pronouns make it woke, then I should ditch my native language.

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      English is the wokest language. In Spanish, all nouns are gendered. That means when Trump wanted to build a wall, he was actually being woke AF.

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    People should leave “y’all” alone. It doesn’t belong to anyone. It is a natural contraction of “you” and “all” that several cultures have independently produced as part of their vernacular.

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    Y’all was created to serve a completely artificial problem.

    English has second person singular pronouns, but for some dumbfuck reason we’ve deprecated them. It’s still maintained in the standard for compatibility with legacy literature but not recommended for new works. If thou talk’st this way, thy speech comes off as archaic/shakesperian/biblical. So we use the second person plural for everything. But this removes the ability to encode context on how many thou art addressing. “You! Go put that fire out.” Are you talking to an individual in a group or the whole group?

    So the American south turned “you” into the singular form and invented “you all” contracted to “y’all” for the plural form.

    Now we just need to fix the first person plural problem, ie “We’ve just won the lottery!” Does “we” include the listener, or not? English doesn’t encode that information; “we” don’t have different words for “myself the speaker and the listener(s) and perhaps others” and “Myself the speaker, others, but not the listener.”

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    I started using y’all years ago due to its ungenderedness, in part from being in queer spaces. Walking into a room of trans women and enbies and saying “you guys” felt weird.

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      Being enby, you guys feels weird when I’m included in it.

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    Being against wokeness is another word for being racist basically.

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    I don’t think conservatism is about being rational it’s about maintaining tradition or maybe morality, however it was defined by the previous generation.