Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.
This is murder.
To anyone saying she tried to run over the officer, please watch the body cam footage. She is turning the wheel as much as possible to steer the vehicle away from the officer. On top of that, she pulled forward very slowly. If you were trying to run someone over, you would not give them every opportunity to avoid being hit by the vehicle.
Stop licking boots
Giving boot licking too much credit. They’re just racist
Getting shot over shoplifting is insane.
The usa is fucked beyond saving
I’m fine with enacting a quarantine across the entire united states and allowing those who want to leave to leave
and allowing those who want to leave to leave
I hope you fare better than other refugees who turn to come here by boat.
No. They’ve had their chances. None can leave without rigorous testing first. We don’t want to end up with another America just in a different location.
BUILD THE WALL
/s?
She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car. The fact that it escalated to that is a pretty bizarre series of events though.
She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car.
Framed differently, a cop moved in front of her car for an excuse to shoot her. He could just as easily NOT have moved in front of the car and/or have taken a step back like any normally functioning human being would have done.
You’re not wrong, but it’s still dishonest to say she was “shot for shoplifting”.
she was
You’re right, turns out she was shot for not shoplifting.
Shoplifting is not a death sentence. Driving away from police is illegal, but not a death sentence. She’s trying to leave? Fine, step to the side, take her plate number, and put out a warrant. At no time was it necessary for him to pull out his gun.
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Even the headline contends she did something wrong. Literally no one is saying she did nothing wrong.
But she didn’t even commit shoplifting, she was wrongfully accused and the car rolled after she was dead and her corpse failed to keep pressure on the brake.
Literally the only thing she did was fail to comply with demands to exit the vehicle and turn the steering wheel in an attempt avoid the officer before being shot.
So what she did was not listen violent and angry people who have full privilege to shoot indiscriminately and was shot for it.
I can pretend she did nothing wrong happily, because she barely did anything at all other than be a victim.Have you got fuckig brain damage or something bud?
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Vehicular assault is a misdemeanor in Ohio btw. Misdemeanors do not carry the death penalty.
Also no one was struck with the car. This young mother was murdered.
OK cop
See, people are even defending it. Truly and absolutely fucked fucked fucked.
I don’t think /u/Ilovethebomb was trying to defend it. He’s just adding context. She didn’t only get shot for shoplifting. The shoplifting initiated an interaction with the police that escalated. She started driving away and the cops tried to physically stop the car with their bodies. So one of the cops panicked and shot.
Of course there are many issues - why were the cops pointing guns at her in the parking lot while she was in the car? Certainly didn’t help with de-escalation. I hope the cop who fired the shot and is under investigation gets criminal charges.
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Where this occurred, calling her innocent is actually true, because she had yet to be convicted in a court of law.
That doesn’t mean she did nothing wrong.
Fun fact: she wasn’t the shoplifter. They didn’t find the stolen goods in her car.
Why was officer dumbass standing in front of a moving car?
In his head, that was his tiananmen square moment
Dead tiananmen square students still received more of an education than this cop.
She didn’t steal anything. The cop stepped toward the direction she was steering. He even stepped forward as she was attempting to “run him over”.
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The items she supposedly stole have been found in the shop near the exit.
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One of the recent news articles. Sorry, no link.
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Innocent until proven guilty?
Sounds like that officer hates unborn babies
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OK cop
Your take is scummy and delusional. I don’t envy the world you’ve constructed around you that’s so blind and ignorant towards reality
American fascists continue to prove their belief that property damage isn’t an acceptable response to murder, but murder is an acceptable response to property damage.
Couldn’t have said it any better
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The social contract is breaking.
How should this have been handles instead? If she really really doesn’t want to comply, You write down her license place, and you let her go.
That simple.
You have her face on video, you have the license plate, it’s trivial to then go visit her at her home and have a talk. Hell, follow her if you have to, but not in a high speed chase. Just keep your distance, let her go where she wants to go until she’s done.
Worst case scenario, you just let her go.
This extreme focus on that every petty little thing MUST be stopped, every small time offender MUST comply only ends in this. Suffering.
Instead focus on fixing poverty and you know, making sure that pregnant women have all they need so that they don’t need to steal? That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
Oh yeah that’s right. We care about unborn fetuses, but born babies can get fucked.
Let this woman have an abortion if she can’t afford a baby. Now she doesn’t need to shoplift, at least not for the baby
Lift people out of poverty. Push people to be better educated. THOSE are things that will actually lower crime rates but then it means they ml o longer are the common pulp that can stand on
The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they’ll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn’t get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.
Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.
Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that’s right, they want a reason to shoot people.
Are they trying to make the situation worse?
Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.
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Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone
This “technique” has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it’s clear they’re just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It’s you or them.
I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first.
Who upvotes this crap? This is worse than reddit.
I can’t think of any other reason for a cop to place himself in front of a car. It’s dangerous and it’s not going to stop a car. It really only can be to provide an excuse for deadly force.
So every time a cop steps in front of someone’s car they’re planning on executing them…
Nah. If a pig wants to kill me, I’m doing my damndest to make sure it comes with me
If you floor it and run into a cop just because they walk in front of your car, you deserve to get shot because the cop would be defending themselves.
If dude’s aiming a gun at my face cause of some groceries?? He deserves what he gets.
Maybe try de-escalating instead of over-escalating. In NO situation should a suspected shoplifting end in a murder.
If she tried to run, guess what? They can literally just track her down and move to arrest when lives aren’t in danger.
He unnecessarily and intentionally put himself in harm’s way, in an intense situation with a terrified suspect. He knew what he was doing.
Fuck off with your tyrant apologia bullshit.
You’re a violent moron.
Holy fucking irony.
Oh, oof, owwie
Why do you all care so much if you’re upvoted or not?
Yeah it didn’t take long, every thread is filled with this bullshit
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That’s what happens when your cops aren’t trained in de-escalation.
Police have killed over 250 women since 2015.
Also keep in mind, businesses usually have insurance against theft.
Why are we shooting shoplifters? What kind of immanent threat did she present?
I’m just relieved that the property was protected.
The shareholders would lose 0.000000001% profit
You joke, but this number is probably still too high. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if shareholders technically lost money due to the interruption of potential customers by all the commotion.
The hitting a cop with a car part
With a car at a near stand still there was no risk to their life. They murdered her for shoplifting food.
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She escalated the situation but there was never enough space for this to be a risk of a fatality.
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Well I suppose you’re right, pointing a firearm at someone doesn’t mean you’re gonna kill them and isn’t escalating the situation.
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No police officer was actually struck by the car, if you read the article. The car only moved when she died, because her foot was on the brake.
Imagine if they just got her license plate and showed up at her house and arrested her later for the misdemeanor of fleeing the scene. Everyone lives.
Her driving at the officer is a pretty immediate risk…
No it isn’t. The distance she could travel was not sufficient to achieve the force needed to make a lethal incident possible. Unless the cop decided to place their head in front of the wheel there is no way for the car to kill them.
A car at rest vs unhinged cops with loaded guns who have no issue killing… Hmmm 🤔
Maybe next time I go hunting instead of bringing a gun, I’ll just bring a car.
To be fair, it’s often said, if you want to get away with murder, do it with a car… Sprinkle some bicycle next to the body for good measure.
I wonder if the cop will be prosecuted for providing an unlawful abortion.
I mean, could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later? This is shoplifting, not armed robbery.
could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later?
No. She was driving a car without license plates, which is unusual.
Young got into a four-door Lexus sedan that did not have a license plate and was illegally parked in a handicapped spot, Belford said.
However, I do not believe that fact justifies shooting her.
Driving a car without plates is extremely common in this area. It has been ever since they suspended registration requirements during Covid. I see multiple cars without plates every time I go for a drive.
That’s not how plates are obtained. It has nothing to do with it. When buying a car from a dealership new, they submit all the paperwork, and your plates are sent to you within a month. If it’s used, it should already have a plate, but you can still get one from the DMV through online services in almost every state.
Not having a plate is usually someone avoiding tolls or red light cameras or some other petty crime thing. And to play devils advocate, I suppose it could have been stolen, too.
This area doesn’t have tolls or red light cameras.
Dealers don’t submit paperwork for you to get plates unless you pay extra for the service. Otherwise you get a 45 day temporary tag.
If you buy used in a private sale, then you get nothing. You have to go buy plates. There is no transfer of plates between private parties in Ohio when doing a private sale.
I didn’t know that there was any place in the United States that did not require license plates. There were/are a lot of people asking why the cops didn’t just get the number off her license plates and arrest her later. The simplest answer to that is that the car didn’t have plates on it, but I don’t think that fact played any role in the decisions made by the involved parties. Though, I could be wrong about that.
Oh I dont have my plates I’ll just tape up this piece of paper in my rear window and no one will care
Was there any evidence that the car didn’t have plates
I don’t think the plates would have been in the video frame at any point if they had been on the car. I don’t know if there are any pictures of the scene or not.
She drove forward with the officer directly in front of the vehicle. Regardless of what happened previously, thats an action that could kill someone.
Isn’t it kinda stupid of the police officer to put himself in that dangerous position. He could just as well have let her go and find her later or follow her. Trying to stop a car by standing in front of it is imo. just stupid and unprofessional.
US cops are the kind to pull out a guy’s multitool, fold out the knife, put it in the guy’s hand, grab their hand and hold it at their own throat.
Then waiting for them to twitch, so they can shoot them dead.
Standing in front of the car wasn’t a smart thing to do, I agree with you there. “Let her go and find her later” isn’t really how it works though.
This exactly how it works in normal countries. She was not robing a bank she was just shop lifting. You get the license plates and invite her to court some time later.
Nah, you don’t get to just drive away from the police anywhere, sorry. Most would use less lethal means to stop her, but I don’t think any competent force would just let her leave.
Can’t speak for anywhere else, but can speak for personal experience, here in Italy “take the license plate” or “get in the police car and follow her” would be our procedure. She has not pulled out a weapon, and law enforcement is not supposed to escalate anything, ever. (Exceptions might apply, poorly trained officers exists). Even if she pulled a gun, probably we’d just try to evacuate everyone in the area and call for reinforcements before thinking of pulling out our firearms.
On average we get 5 police deaths in a year out of about 300-350 thousands agents, so I guess it works well enough.
(and yes, I do realize that in US there’s a lot of armed and trigger happy civilians, but that’s just another issue to solve. If a civilian needs a gun for self protection , there’s something really really wrong with society in my opinion)
Nor would any competent force give an ultimatum of “stop or die” over a trivial crime. Most countries would get in their car and try to follow safely, if that wasn’t possible you run the plates and send a summons. A hand should never be near a gun in this situation.
There’s no defending this.
I’m not defending this so much as pointing out the absolute nonsense some people in this thread are spewing.
They stop high-speed chases all the time because it’s getting too dangerous. And some of them have done way worse than shoplifting…
That is literally the standard procedure for dealing with shoplifters.
And also this woman wasn’t the shoplifter.
The cop deliberately walked in front of her car and pointed a gun at her. She panicked. I’d probably panic too if someone pointed a gun at me. Granted, I probably wouldn’t have drove forward, but it was entirely possible for the cop to not have walked in front of her car, for him not to have pulled a gun. It seems like him pulling the gun is what caused this.
Flooring it at someone, yes. Slowly moving forward and turning away, not so much.
You can definitely kill someone by slowly driving over them
So maybe cops should be smart and not jump in front of/on top of moving cars. But then again, we already know they aren’t hired for being smart.
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Yeah probably not the best to drive at police. Amazed that even needs to be said and isn’t obvious to most people
Man, there’s some cooked people in here.
You could murder an officer in cold blood and they’d find a way to justify it.
You say that in a thread about a woman murdered by an officer in cold blood. Wow.
Having someone trying to run you over isn’t “in cold blood”
Good grief.
Except that guy isn’t dead. The woman is. The cop has plenty of opportunities to do a really big part of his job, de-escalate, rather than do the opposite, position himself in front of her vehicle and immediately point a gun at her. He went right for the death threat and almost immediately delivered.
That’s fucking horrible.
First off, I wish they would show the full uncut raw footage. People need to see the reality of getting shot.
Second, he literally just pulls the gun out and says “get out of the car.” Like, what the fuck man? Get out of the car or I’m going to shoot you? For stealing from a fucking kroger? One of the biggest businesses in the US?
Dude. This is bullshit. He needs criminal charges.
If only there was some sort of metallic plate attached to the car that could be used as an identifier, which combined with police footage of the thief could be used to safely locate them, with nobody needing to draw a gun unless there was immediate danger.
What a great idea! They could register that metal plate with local govt, almost like a license to operate a motor vehicle…
Sounds like communism.
/s
It’s too early in the morning for me to watch uncut footage of a pregnant woman getting shot.
Cool. That doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t.
It’s a good thing you refuted my attempt to restrict people from seeing things. I was literally gouging people’s eyes out with a fork, destroying all computer screens and light bulbs, bringing a new age of permemant darkness so that nobody shall ever behold the glorious videos of preggos getting riddled with bullets… until One True Hero had the courage to Rise Up against my reign of tyranny and said,
Settle down.
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery. She’s getting a baby soon and is maybe trying to save up because the US has no proper help to offer. Being shot and murdered by the police for a relatively harmles crime is beyond crazy for a society to accept. The policeman should be arrested for murder and abuse of power and Final put behind bars
She was falsely accused of shoplifting. She didn’t actually do it.
True point. The whole scenario is written in such a bad way in the article its completely glossed over, and even I missed that fact. It just makes the whole mess even worse. It could have been anyone that got shot here just for being scared by threatening police officers who are escalating the situation
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery.
As much as I don’t think this woman should’ve been shot, shoplifting isn’t usually done by people who “need/have” to and it’s also usually items that aren’t necessities. Ask anyone who works at an Ulta or makeup section of a department store. In fact, I watched a lady run out of an Ulta into a car that sped off who, according to employees, stole a bunch of perfume and they told me and my girlfriend they were likely going to resell the perfume online.
Sure, sell it to be able to afford some meager amount of groceries for her and her baby. Meanwhile the fat cat cop, who probably ate a breakfast before work, is out there looking for some breakfastless person to shoot to justify the need for him to keep his job.
We’ll frame it however we want.
I think the cop should absolutely be
firedprosecuted, but I don’t think police shootings are to “justify the need” for police officers to keep their jobs.That doesn’t even make sense: police officers involved in shootings are likely to be investigated by IA, which is compounded stress ontop of a job that probably already sucks, who’s possibly even pushed out of the force by IA, and if the shooting an officer was involved in was in fact justified (not this one) you’re left with an officer who’s unfit mentally and will likely feel some guilt for the rest of their lives.
In the world you think we live in, encouraging police shootings because it “justifies” a need for police leaves you with a bunch of underperforming and mentally unstable bunch of police officers and a forever staggering rate of total police officers and their presence in neighborhoods where they’re actually needed; as people will resign and no new officers will replace them.
Excuse me, fired? They should be prosecuted. They murdered someone for no reason. That is a murder. Murder is not allowed. Killing someone in self defense isn’t a murder, but this clearly was.
This police officer deserves to be reprimanded the way any citizen would be for shooting and killing someone without just cause.
Sorry, I agree. I don’t know why I simply said “fired.”
that’s a lie they resell because they need the money to survive
The car the lady was driven off in was like decent looking ~2020 model car. Maybe it happens the way you say it does, I don’t know. I’d like to see data that shows if either how you what you say is true or not, but generally when I’ve personally witnessed shoplifting it’s not done by people who seem like they’re truly struggling.
But then they bought more perfumes with that money. Since it was a significant amount, they got a discount but then sold those perfumes for MRP. They kept doing this over and over and before you know it Bob’s your uncle and they started a chain of perfume shops globally. Now they are the fatcat CEOs of Global Perfumes Inc. and spend considerable resources per annum to make sure people don’t shoplift from their stores.
Hey we can’t all just partner with nazis like Coco Chanel to launch our brands.
The reasons for shop lifting are many, but it usually boils down to needing money because their daily job isn’t enough to get by and live a happy life. Or they can’t get a job at all for one reason or another. Desperate people do desperate things.
My brother in law spends it all on meth and my sister fills in with theft where she can.
Have you tried shooting them?
Years ago I had a .45 with a suppressor priced out to take out BIL.
Just call the cops, it’s cheaper.
With my luck my niece and nephew would be the ones that got shot. The poor dog, too, obvs.
Woman scared for her life because officers immediately pointed guns at her for no reason is proven correct when killed by officers for no reason. Just another day in America. Cops just love pulling their guns and using them for no good reason. The only time a cop should be pointing a gun at someone like this is if their life is in immediate danger from that person.
How would society feel if these weren’t cops? If a guy just runs up to your car pointing a pistol at your head you aren’t going to be calm and rational. It’s bullshit we expect anyone to be.
You can’t justify her running from the cops, that was wrong but no where near as wrong as killing her for doing so
I mean, I kinda can. We’ve all seen too many videos where police officers pull people out of cars in these situations, she was pregnant… People of color end up dead on the ground outside of that car even if they did nothing wrong, all the time. Even more commonly they get thrown around and beaten. Pregnant woman don’t normally want to get thrown around or beaten.
OK, but what’s plan B? Running from the police just makes them angrier.
But one has a decent chance of getting away from them…
I want to posit first that this is a satirical answer, and I am not encouraging this in the slightest, just that this might be the “cornered logic” equation that is given to suspects being confronted by police:
Plan B: You whip out a pistol you bought from the gun store, shoot all of the cops that are about to shoot you, and drive off to go live in a different state so it’s hard to follow you.
I would hope and predict that most people committing petty crimes like shoplifting or drugs would not want to hurt anyone, much less a cop, but when that is THE ONLY answer you can give that has a strong chance of survival in the face of the articles everyone has seen, it begs the need for a different answer - one in which there is ZERO chance of a cop killing an unarmed person for petty crime, and attempted evasion of arrest for said petty crime.
Uhh no I can 100% justify running from cops. Some of them are totally unhinged with a total lack of accountability.
This incident is exactly why that’s justified. Her life was in danger, that cop was clearly itching for a reason to kill her or he wouldn’t have stepped in front of the car. She ran because it was probably her best chance of not getting killed
When the police are increasingly known and proven to kill people for next to no reason at all, it’s quite difficult to blame a person for being afraid of them when confronted.
Your best chance regardless of race or economic status is to comply so they don’t get hot headed, not to mention its the legally correct thing to do
when killed by officers for no reason
Besides trying to run one of them over, you mean? Kinda leaving out some details here.
You watch the video?.. Cars get closer to killing me in a parking lot once a month or more. He easily moved out of the way after murdering her. The car was barely moving.
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Tasty tasty piggy boot rubber, mmmm, taser me daddy law
I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It’s a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.
What’s not to understand? Their goal is the expression of power, the suspect’s escape is completely non optional to them. They are not trained in de-escalation.
So, by placing their body on the line (in the path of the giant metal machine), they are essentially saying “obey me, or you are willing to kill me if you try to escape”. So if you try to escape, you are willing to kill them. So if you are willing to kill them, they are free to defend themselves.
It is crazy, but consistent logic.
Remember they aren’t there to help, or protect, but to enforce.
You do understand why. What you said is exactly why. They are manufacturing a danger so that they are legally allowed to use lethal force against anyone for any small crime. All the police do in the USA is escalate, escalate, escalate
They don’t care as long as they get to murder someone.
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Because they can, and bootlickers will make excuses for them
OMG, I saw this story on FB, AND every fucking comment was praising the cop! Telling her she deserved it for trying to run away… things like she would have been a terrible mom anyways… just some awful things while the run their hard ons for the cops… It was sickening… I am 23 weeks pregnant with my second son right now and watching people praise her death because she stole something is so bizarre and jarring… I’m pregnant… What if this was a misunderstanding and he had bad information… she didn’t steal a thing and scared of cops tried to get away and now she is dead… Cops are fuckiing scary but not as much as people who want this outcome for stealing some groceries
Edit: some of these comments defending the cop, who put his life in danger on his own so he could have the excuse to kill her, is chilling… You are the reason I made my comment and the reason why I am getting scared of my community… because too many of the people in society want to see someone from some group they hate, hurt or dead by police… Fucking sickening. Shoplifting is not an excuse to use lethal force to stop anyone… the punishment doesn’t fit the crime… people saying it does, are rabid dogs who wish it was them in the cops shoes, feeling powerful… and that’s even more sickening. She left behind a 6 year old because thd pig couldnt have figured out another way to handle the situation… he failed a basic IQ test and too many people are like… “Kay, cool”. Idiocracy was and is a fucking a documentary and y’all just want a gladiator type entertainment with your own people
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Well that’s a shity outlook when the cop was trying stage a suicide to have a reason to fire his gun… again he put him self there by choice, he could have chose to move aside and track her… but he chose a method that he could abuse for the reason to fire his gun and punish her for testing his authority… Is sad you can’t see or understand that… or that you are okay with being shot… But during the protests, when people would zoom their cars in to.the crowds to get away from the people, was totally justified… the irony is insane…
His job is to stop and detain that person. It’s not really a choice.
I don’t know how you can remotely justify driving off when asked to get out of the vehicle. It’s an insane position.
She escalated from simple shoplifting to assault…if we want to talk about suicides…that’s a way to do it I guess.
If his job is to stop and detain, he failed his job.
I disagree.
I hope you get to have an interaction with a cop that shatters your sheltered views, as i did. Of course that you live to tell others as well.
I shrug…I had a cop draw on me. I followed directions and I’m still alive. I didn’t burn down the city because I did something stupid.
I had a cop draw on me.
I’d like to hear more about this.
Got out of a car during a traffic stop to smoke a cigarette. The cop drew, I almost peed myself, I listened to instructions, the end.
Gosh man that must’ve been scary as hell. Glad everything worked out. Did he just draw? Did he point it at you? Did you ignore his order to stay in the car in the first place?
i swear this isn’t an attempt to correlate your story with the story we’re commenting on, but in you’re story specifically do you think that drawing his weapon in your case was justified?
The full story is, I was drunk, my DD was getting a speeding ticket. It was a long ass drive home, so I got out to smoke after she takes all the initial paperwork and goes back to the car.
We are pretty clearly not a threat. Me, wife 2 kids. I’m pretty hammered and it seemed like a good idea.
I know better than to get out during a traffic stop.
But the cop got back out of her car, immediately drew and screamed at me to get back in the car. I did so and ate a speech about how dumb I was.
Do I think the cop was justified in drawing? Absolutely. We are on the side of the highway, in the dark, and the cop didn’t have backup. I fully accept that I fucked up when I got out of the car. You just don’t do that during a routine stop without asking permission first.
Let’s say at that point, instead of getting back in, I turn on the cop and advance on her and have some attitude about her yelling and pointing the gun…at that point she’d be justified in shooting me.
TLDR…I fucked up, the cop did the right thing in that situation, and while scary as hell, the cop was in the right the whole time. My
Yeah wtf, she should have left a thin blue streak on the asphalt
Trying to run over an officer, you mean? She didn’t just try and run away, she drove directly towards a police officer.
You really need to reevaluate your thinking if you think untrained civilians have a higher burden than supposedly trained professionals, especially after watching that video
If only cops weren’t rooted to the ground and could jump out of the way of a car…
It would be ideal if she didn’t try and kill him in the first place though.
Always interesting that people demand average citizens behave more reasonably than so-called trained police. It’s like you accept the presumption that any cop is likely to overreact in murder, therefore the onus is on US not to escalate situations. Interesting how the apologists don’t think cops bear any responsibility for de-escalation.
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You’re being disingenuous Monday morning qb’ing. Police are supposedly trained in de-escalation. I am not excusing the behavior, but I can understand a random untrained citizen having fear and unpredictable bad decision-making in a situation like this. Whereas the cops absolutely have countless other things they could do that are calmer and more de-escalating.
Ultimately, basic theft isn’t worth death. The problem is that cops have unilaterally decided it is completely unacceptable to not listen to them, up to death. They could have followed her. They could have let her go. There are numerous alternatives that could have happened. Cops in America have endlessly shown they are trigger happy twitchy and rushing to escalate.
The burden is on trained police to behave better than a random person does. This doesn’t excuse her behavior. But the cops are NOT justified either.
I understand this nuance is lost on most.
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You keep saying that. "Trying to run over ". No fucking way you could convince me that she wanted to run over that cop! If she wanted him dead, why didn’t she just punch it? Floor the peddle and turn the wheel toward him.
How about maybe the police firstly don’t escalate the situation to that point because she was just accused of shoplifting and secondly don’t jump in front of her car in the first place?
Don’t they spend like 1000 hours training people about all the safety precautions of a standard road stop, since it has about a dozen dangers - and “standing directly in front of a suspect’s vehicle” ranks somewhere among the dumbest things you can do?
Heck, I caution myself against doing it even when walking around the city, even if all I want to do is warn someone about an obstacle. I’m no freaking roadblock.
She cranked the wheel all the way away from him. She was trying to go around. Officer “no self preservation” was a dipshit and blocked in a two ton machine with his own body.
Yeah, did people not even watch the footage? You’d have to be braindead to try anything like that to cops nowadays, it’s a death sentence
What exactly do you mean by "cops nowadays*?
Do you mean do not try that because they will shoot at your for close to no reason?
Or do you mean cops are extremely dangerous, just be the most agreeable prey they come across.
Let’s do a quick test, you see a car driving at you 60mph, the only thing you have is your gun, and your legs.
You can:
A) get out of the way and live
B) shoot the driver (which would not at all stop the car)
Now let’s try this stupid shit one more time at 5mph.
There is ZERO reason to discharge a firearm at this person, for evading arrest, shoplifting, etc. This is an UNARMED PREGNANT WOMAN.
Imagine thinking this is the right way to handle this you fucking animal.
Doesn’t matter in the slightest if this is the “right way to handle this”, it’s the reality of the situation where it’s pretty well documented that they’re going to choose their lives over yours if you give them a reason to (say for example driving your car directly at them like a braindead moron)
bro she was driving slower than I can run. The cop quite literally put himself in front of the car to give himself a justification for killing her.
… You take two steps to the left to move out of the way of the car, or, here’s a fantastic idea, you don’t step out in front of a fucking car in the first place???
Well, either way, Ohio has a no excuses abortion law, so the officer needs to be charged.
Doesn’t matter? This woman was almost a child herself, she lost her life at 21 years old over a bunch of power tripping cops. How fucking dare you. You need to reevaluate what matters.
Part of being a an officer is being able to keep your shit together when civilians do not. Don’t sit here and act like you’d think rationally while a bunch of guns are pointed at you knowing damn well your chances of survival are significantly lower just because your skin is a different color. I seriously cannot grasp how you’re okay writing these comments. You should be ashamed of yourself, seriously.
“Cops are likely to murder you, and we just accept this, so act accordingly.”
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Yep and for people in the US they should been keenly aware that there’s a non zero possibly of being shot by police if they feel threatened. That’s just how it is.
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not very pro life if you ask me
Not a peep from the anti-choicers on this.
That’s because they’re mostly racist bootlickers and see no problem here.
I’m a firm believer of “if you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t”
