Why not abolish the tip system and require easier gets real pay instead?
i agree with you. interestingly however, my tip worker friends do not like this idea
Your tip worker friends have been tricked into thinking that a consistent living wage would be less money.
there are a few tip workers who have a talent for getting a little bit more out of customers but you are correct i think
Only because wages across the board are in the dumpster. If the kitchen guys were making $30/hr instead of $10/he they’d be complaining the other way
This sounds like a reason for companies to rely even more on tipping to compensate their workers… How about instead we make the companies pay the taxes on worker income earned through tipping? Then we can finally do away this ludicrous system we’re all pressured to abide by.
Bingo, if they don’t have to report tips every employer is going to say minimums and say they must be lying if it’s more or less.
Wow I actually really like that idea. I don’t think I would’ve ever come up with it myself. It’d be cool to have a candidate platform made up of the best crowdsourced policy ideas.
Cool. Now let service workers get paid a living wage. Then set the minimum wage to a calculated value based on the rate of inflation and regional cost of living, instead of the idiotic fixed value system. $15/hr is at least 10 years too late.
But that would leave the elites with less money to be trickle down to the economy. Don’t you see the flaws in your proposal?
This doesn’t sound like a good idea at all. If a person relies on tips for a livable wage, it should be taxed. If you work for tips, it’s taxable income.
No one should be working for tips as their primary income anyway. Pay people a living wage.
I intentionally go to support restaurants where I know they pay their employees a living wage.
Echoing the other comment, tips shouldn’t be the main source of income at a job, so they shouldn’t incur taxes.
That doesn’t make any sense, it’s part of income
I’m thinking in the political game theory, it makes sense because it’s going to force Republicans to either support it or oppose it, either of which will make them look silly as trump supporters.
The revenue losses would need to be made up in another way, which would ideally be closing loopholes and more dependably taxing the wealthy. That is assuming that the segment of revenue from tips is even substantial enough to matter.
Anyway it’s going to force the Trump camp to respond. And pretty much every time you do that it provokes more unforced errors from them because they are clueless.
It’s just going to let him parallel his abortion stance where he claims Dems are for his positions until he does them
Just another note, Biden has also mentioned he would sign this into law. This would be even better for Dems than Kamala’s promise. For an election cycle, it would basically delete any value of Trump’s promise to tip earners.
I’ve seen “no tax on tips” on Trump billboards on my area. Clearly Trump thinks it’s an important issue. Having made them waste money would be a hilarious win, also preventing undecided voters from turning out for Trump on this single-issue is a clear strategic design.
Tips are bullshit and workers should be required to paid a living wage.
and now the employee’s are going to be asking for more tips instead of wage, so they pay less tax.
You think everyone one asking for a tip at the cashier is bad now?
Wait till they put this in.
You think everyone one asking for a tip at the cashier is bad now?
Yeah, this will just make it even more prevalent for sure.
I think the proliferation of tips at almost every register instead of being limited to full service has been bad since the trend started.
In my state restaurants pay the federal tipped minimum of just over 2 dollars an hour. Their entire income is based on tips, and until they are required to be paid a living wage, tips are a necessary evil. I tip them well because I know they are getting screwed on their paychecks more than any other job.
Keep in mind that cash tips tend to not be taxed, which means less going into social security, medicare/medicaid, and other government services. It is still income! But when it was mostly cash it was effectively tax free.
Now that cards are prevalent it is getting taxed, and this ‘no tax on tips’ bullshit instead of requiring a living wage just benefits business. It is a counterproductive ‘fix’ and fuck tipping culture altogether.
You know what the worst outcome of non-taxed tips will be? The fucking wealthy tipping each other tax free to move money around. That is what it will end up being in a couple decades because that is consistent with every other similar ‘fix’ that just avoids requiring a living wage.
In Oregon, even tipped workers make the state minimum wage, but what that wage is varies depending on location.
Portland metro has the highest, it just went up on 7/1 to $15.95.
Other population centers like Salem, Eugene, Roseburg, Bend, Medford, and tourist spots on the coast have a lower rate of $14.70.
The rural areas where there are more meth labs and cows than people are at $13.70.
Map:
Good for Oregon. Until a living wage is implemented nationwide it is a problem that needs to be addressed.
You call that a living wage? In Washington the minimum is $16.28 statewide, including tipped labor, and it’s $19.97 in Seattle.
What’s wild to me is that the cost of a meal is the same as in places like Pennsylvania where a waiter can be paid as little as $2.83/hr.
Almost like the cost is set by the market, and the owners will cut wages as low as they’re allowed to simply to take more for themselves.
You call that a living wage?
No. Good for them having servers paid more than the $2 and change national minimum wage.
In Oregon, even tipped workers make the state minimum wage, but what that wage is varies depending on location.
How is a varying amount depending on where you live a “state minimum wage”?
Because it is established by a state law.
I’d rather not further cement tips as a fundamental part of our economic system. It’s gotten so stupid to the point where you get asked for a tip before any service has even occurred and then the “service” is often just counter service which used to not be tipped. By not taxing this income, you’re encouraging more income to be paid through tips to avoid taxes. When you’re making all these little exemptions and special cases, maybe it’s time to rethink the fundamental system so that it works better as a base case rather than having all these poorly-applied bandaids.
Anything to not pay people a living wage.
This will be the gateway to removing tipped minimum wage and eventually minimum wage. People often forget it is not just the employee that pays taxes on tips, but also the employer. This will also hurt an already struggling SSI system. I’d really like to see a detailed breakdown of a 10 year outlook on this plan.
I’d rather we focus on paying people appropriately and getting rid of tips
How about you do something so people aren’t reliant on tips in the first place?
kolanaki being based as always…
Progress takes time. Overton window and shit like that. Babysteps. Slow, but steady.
This is stepping backwards. It actively incentivizes companies to not pay a liveable wage because tipped income doesn’t get taxed.
surely you mean incest ivises /s
I just tried fixing the typo and fucking autocorrect changed it back four times before it gave up and accepted that “Incentivizes” is a word.
Up until I wrote this post, when it took another 4 tries…
This isn’t progress. It is actively incentiving having compensation be tips in the tax code.
Yeah, it really seems like it will compound the issue.
Politics is funny, like an oversized truck driven by an oversized grandma whose reflexes have slowed with time. The truck is unwieldy due to its size, and the driver often unable to see over the steering wheel until there is a bump that causes her to glance at more of the road than she’s used to seeing. Even when Grandma does react, the truck is slow to move, and if it moves quickly it runs the risk of tipping over.
We do need bigger change. That change will NOT happen overnight, too much damage has been done. What we need to do is walk back the worst damage, reinforce codes and laws to stop them being overturned by holiday worshipping dick heads, tackle creating a foundation to work off of, and then work towards larger, more meaningful change. In that order. Maybe swap around the middle as needed if blocked by certain justices.
Every single inch will be fought for. Every real change challenged. Harris and the party she hopefully recreates will need our support. Even Old Man
WillowBiden bowed when we sang our song loudly enough, together.But this is not an improvement, this is dividing the middle and poor classes into two categories from a taxation perspective, those who get all their earnings from their employer and those who get some from their employer plus some from clients as tip, your friends could have the same total income but pay 10k less in taxes because half of it is tip.
And we can effectively shift that balance. I will never willingly advocate for things that hurt people. Though I can be ignorant just like anyone else. What I will do is ask us to come together and seek positive change in the most effective ways, even if that means a temporary set back, so long as there are plans to shore it up quickly. This is because I recognize that short-term sacrifices will probably be necessary to achieve a more positive, bigger picture outcome.
HOWEVER, as we are seeing and experiencing, we as a united voice can help enact better changes and less sacrifices by all yelling into the wind. Seems that when enough people do it, our voices carry rather well.
Ok, so you’re just here to talk like a politician instead of talking about the subject of the conversation, got it 👍
If this was a “Trump idea”, why didn’t he do it while president?
Just one of the many hundreds of things he talked about doing and then never brought up again.
He got paid 40$ and a meal at McDonald’s
He was too busy showing everybody he was a president.
Meeting with world leaders and shaking hands.
I’m sure in his lifespan he has shaken hands fir as long as I have masturburbated with my hands.
This is utter nonsense. Outlaw tips and make them subject to normal minimum wage.
This is dumb. Stop incentivizing a tipping economy. Fuck tipping.
Looks like many haven’t read the article before commenting. While both candidates have a proposal about the same topic, the methodology of implementing this seems to differ greatly.
The reaction in the comments appears to reflect more of the potential outcome of the Trump plan, though the Trump plan seems to mainly be some cobbled together bits of some other Republican proposals.
From the article, the Harris plan goes along with a minimum wage increase and an income cap so higher wage workers can’t collect tax free “tips” in lieu of taxable income.
I also looked up some implications of elimination of taxed tips and found this article that goes into some numbers and shows how raising the standard deduction to make more workers, not just tipped workers, exempt from income tax and benefit many more people. I thought that was interesting and provided more seemingly useful info than either candidates’ campaign promises.
The solution would be to increase the lowest tax bracket then.
That’s another fine suggestion.
The numbers didn’t really look in line for today’s incomes, and from what I can tell from this, tax brackets for anything but the highest earners haven’t changed other than an inflation adjustment since the 80s.
Wish my wages were taxed at those brackets
I’ll guess if you’re non-US, you’re also getting things for your taxes such as healthcare and other services. For us, it’s essentially a la carte pricing, so for many of these people in the lower tax brackets, healthcare is much more than taxes.
The bottom 50% of earners pay about $700/yr in federal tax. State and local taxes, property tax, school tax, and sales tax on top of that. “Average” income tax is $15,000, only due to wealth disparity. The bottom 50% pay less than 2.5% of all income tax.
Average healthcare cost is around $14,000/yr, so even for solidly middle-class people, healthcare costs are the same or higher than paid taxes, so that is probably much closer to, if not more than you may be paying.
Paying tax is a civic responsibility. The real pain comes from not feeling like you get what you pay for. I’ve no issue with coughing up some cash for safe roads and food inspectors, but when we have bridges collapsing and healthcare isn’t considered a human right, it makes for some discontentment.
Before any taxes are applied, we pay 13,08% for social security. Then taxes are applied according to following brackets:
Wow, that chart does look crazy high in comparison.
I always think VAT looks wildly expensive as well.
I found 2 more charts and each country looks to have fairly different ways of taxing people, making it hard to see who’s getting the best and worst deals. Especially as the taxes go to different things.
So the title is misleading?
It’s just a title, it says what the article is about, but it can’t say everything. But when everyone comments based on the title and not the article, we risk creating misinformation.
Trump and Harris can both say we should not tax tips, but if that’s the end of the story from Trump, but it’s part of a multi-pronged approach, that’s what we need to be sharing and commenting on.
Everyone’s points about tipped jobs being exploitative are correct, but that isn’t what the article is about. If we just take it as Harris and Trump both want to do the same thing, that’s a half truth, and that is what many of these comments perpetuate. Both sides or this are not the same, and it does a disservice to us all to treat it as such.
Having a more descriptive title can help, like if it said “Harris presents competing plan for removing tax on tips,” but it is somewhat redundant as they wrote the entire rest of the article about it. I feel this is why we include the article with the post, and not just the title, no? 😉
I feel I’m sounding a bit harsh, which isn’t my intent, but it irks me when I can go through a comment section and see just about everyone has missed the point.
Ok. Got it. Sounds like a misleading title.
The difference is, I believe her.
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