Biden administration is moving ahead on new $1 billion arms sale to Israel, congressional aides say
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It’s the first arms shipment to Israel to be announced by the administration since it put another arms transfer on hold earlier in the month.

The Biden administration has told key lawmakers it is sending a new package of more than $1 billion in arms and ammunition to Israel, three congressional aides said Tuesday.

It’s the first arms shipment to Israel to be announced by the administration since it put another arms transfer — consisting of 3,500 bombs — on hold this month. The administration has said it paused that earlier transfer to keep Israel from using the bombs in its growing offensive in the crowded southern Gaza city of Rafah.

  • Epicmulch@lemm.eeEnglish
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    7 months ago

    I’m so very confused by this situation. For those who are against supporting Israel. Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th? I’m not denying the civilian casualties I agree it is unacceptably high But that doesn’t caragotize what’s happening as a genocide. But Hamas has said they want a high casualty rate they are using their civilians as human shields. Would you really suggest Hamas should just be able to get away with Oct 7th because they are hiding behind their people. Like what is your answer if you were the one making the choice here? Please I know this is an inflammatory topic but I promise I’m only trying to understand your opinion on the matter.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Can you explain to me rationally why you think Hamas doesn’t deserve to be wiped out after Oct 7th?

      …

      You want me to explain why a foreign government shouldn’t be “wiped out” for a war crime?

      By that logic, why shouldn’t Israel’s government be “wiped out” for the attacks on civilians leading up to it?

      Or at least for their actions after it where they killed 10x more civilians and destroyed billions in infrastructure?

      And that’s not even getting into how Israels government draws no distinction from someone who lives and Gaza and belongs to Hamas.

      Your logic just doesn’t seem to be consistent, and you’re focusing on the one time Hamas did anything comparable to how Israel has treated Palestinian civilians over 70 years…

      • zerog_bandit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Burning babies in their cribs and slaughtering mothers in front of daughters is not a valid form of protest.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          7 months ago

          So why didn’t we do anything when Israel is doing even worse?

          Literally, right now they’re doing worse to a lot more people…

          And before 10/7, they were still doing worse to even more people…

          So why focus on that one day and ignore literally everything else?

          Like, you realize the people from Hamas on 10/7 are the families of Israels prior victims?

          If Israel is justified in what they’re doing because of 10/7, why wasn’t 10/7 justified?

          If none of it is acceptable, why are you only focusing on the one day Israel’s were the victim over every other day they were the attackers?

          • zerog_bandit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Sure, so you want to treat this conflict like it didn’t start on 10/7. Ok.

            Do you believe that the 20 year campaign of suicide bombing perpetrated by Palestinian militants was a valid form of protest? Did you grow up seeing the charred skeletons of buses on TV? Did you know that this terror campaign was so vicious that Israel had to forcibly relocate Jews that had lived in Gaza their entire lives, who’s families had lived in Gaza for generations? Would you define this as ethnic cleansing by Palestinians?

            Do you believe that the Yom Kippur war surprise attack was a valid form of protest? Did you know that the Arab countries position was to refuse any peace deal with Israel, even when they were offered the return of the Sinai and the Golan?

            If you think that Israel has a responsibility to ensure aid enters Gaza, then surely you believe that closing the Suez to Israeli shipping was a casus belli for the 6 day war?

            Do you believe the attempted genocide of Jews by their Arab neighbors in 1948 was a valid form of protest? Do you think that Arabs have the right to enforce a racially pure population? Have you thought about why 20 percent of Israelis are Arab? Is it possible that these were honest folks who did not attempt to commit a genocide against Jews?

            Have you stopped to think why Jews, who have existed in the area for thousands of years, no longer have extant populations in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, or Iraq? Have you considered the possibility that they were ethnically cleansed by their Arab neighbors? Have you heard of the Farhud? Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?

            Edit: the instant downvote without any rebuttal demonstrates how inconvenient the truth is pro-Hamas supporters.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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              7 months ago

              Sure, so you want to treat this conflict like it didn’t start on 10/7. Ok.

              I don’t know why a logical peraon wouldn’t…

              Or why I should continue conversations with people who do

      • Epicmulch@lemm.eeEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Yes I want you to explain how the extreme brutality of what Hamas soldiers did on Oct 7th compares to Israel relating. Have you watched the videos? I’m not denying the treatment of Palestine citizens by Israel but that does not give Hamas the right to do what they did on Oct 7th. Again watch the videos Hamas themselves recorded during the attack. They killed those people because their religion told them to. Hamas themselves said they will keep doing it again and again. I understand the death toll is high. But again what would you rather do? I’m just trying to understand your logic. I don’t know how to wage war but I can take an educated guess that it’s pretty difficult to tell the difference between a Gaza citizen and a Hamas solders as they don’t wear any kind of uniform and purposely hide amongst civilians. I’m not defending killing civilians in asking what your alternative strategy would be. Or how you think Israel and us should respond. Because zero response is an unacceptable answer.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          7 months ago

          …

          So why aren’t you calling for Israel’s government to be wiped out when they’ve spent decades killing way more civilians?

          I don’t think you understand that part.

          If you think that should happen to Hamas, but not Israel’s government.

          Then you’re just saying Palestinians have no human rights but Israelis do.

          Like, you’re mad at someone punching back, but not the person who spent decades punching first.

          • Epicmulch@lemm.eeEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Well if I’m being honest from what I know it sure doesn’t seem like Israel punched first. Can you educate me in what you mean by killing more civilians? Like are you talking about similar retaliatory attacks killing civilians more civilians. Because currently I understand why is Israel is killing more civilians. I’m not arguing it’s right. I don’t think there is a right answer here. I do think the context of the attacks matters. Hamas has stated very clearly they intend on perpetrating Oct 7th again and again. Jews being in their holy land is literally against their religion they have said this repeatedly. You can ask a Hamas solder why he’s fighting and he will tell you this. Can you provide an alternative to what Israel is doing? I’ve asked several times. I wish I had an answer.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Jesus tapdancing christ he just can’t fucking help scoring an own-goal. What the actual fuck.

    I’ve been trying to be as magnanimous and politically pragmatic as I can, but this is straight up idiotic. Come the fuck on, Biden. You are going to throw the whole fucking election if you keep this up.

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    So. do you think Netanyahu pinched his nose or something. you know. while biden was sucking his dick off? “withhold weapons, are you…?”

    it’d be nice if one of the most powerful men in the world actually had a fucking spine.

    • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      7 months ago

      They have the spine to laugh at all the peasants below them, i think it’s someone else lacking spine

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Trump’s the best thing to happen to Biden. He has a blank check to do whatever he likes, knowing full well the only response is “Trump will be worse”

  • Amoxtli@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Biden loyalists still believe they are the good guys. I am pretty sure, when Julius Caesar marched into Gaul, that the Roman army thought of themselves as bad guys… We know where Biden supporters stand. Did the Nazis believe they were the bad guys? Government psy-ops a success on a huge segment of the population.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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        7 months ago

        1. Why are you so sure no amount of pressure from voters will ever make Biden stop funding a genocide?

        2. Do you believe he’s like this about everything or just the genocide of brown people?

        3. Why do you support a candidate for the Dem nomination who doesn’t listen to the people he needs votes from?

        • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          7 months ago

          1. It might but it better happen fast if he wants to gain back any protest votes.

          2. Fuck if I know. It’s tradition at this point. How far in us president history do we have to go to find a president that didn’t kill a bunch of brown people?

          3. I don’t support biden. I’ll give him credit for the good shit he did but I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state… Faster than it already is at least.

          • Amoxtli@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Oh yes, because Christianity is so evil, it proliferated compassion across the world. It ended slavery, created Just War Theory (a moral approach to war), proliferated the concept of human rights It culturally ingrained into its followers the concept of secularism, and egalitarianism. How far the democrat party has fallen. They fear the Bible and Orange Man so much, genocide is an acceptable trade-off. You must really hate Jesus.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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              7 months ago

              Oh yes, because Christianity is so evil,

              It is…

              it proliferated compassion across the world

              It didn’t…

              It ended slavery

              The Bible is pro slavery…

              created Just War Theory (a moral approach to war),

              Lol

              proliferated the concept of human rights

              It supports fucking slavery and says a wife is a husband property, and sexual acts unless for reproduction is a sin and should be illegal…

              I’m not going to keep going, because I haven’t hit a truthful thing you’ve said yet.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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            7 months ago

            but I’m voting for him to avoid the US becoming a theocratic fascist state…

            It’s not avoiding it, it’s making it happen slower.

            I think you’ve forgotten how religious Biden is and how much he’s talked about that influencing his positions.

            Why do you think he’s essentially ignored Roe V Wade being overturned? He doesn’t want abortion to be legal due to his religious views.

            He did an executive order, but it accomplished nothing. And that was just because midterms were coming.

            And the way he’s encouraging cops to go after peaceful protesters?

            He’s saying the same bullshit about protesters trump said about BLM protesters.

            Biden isn’t against fascism, he’s against the other team being in charge of it.

            That’s what happens when one side turns the fascism up to 11, and the only other option is obsessed with meeting them half way.

            The best result is slightly more than half fascist.

            And that hurts turnout, and low turnout is when the fascists win.

            The best way to stop the fascists, is to fight them, not compromise with them. That shit doesn’t work.