Seems that the constitution or and law book would work too.
“A book! Get him!”
This silhouette feels like it’s stolen from every major gun, but isn’t an actual AR. That upper is closer to an AK slant at the rear and the forward barrel shroud is odd. Although I’ve seen some magpul esque 3rd party stuff.
That said, 5.56 is a round I’d be switching off of for everyone else. It’s ubiquitous, but the military is switching away from it due to body armor resistance to 5.56. Now .308 and 300 black out… most of the gun nuts all agree that the best bugout bag gun is an FN-FAL. Excellent stopping power, highly accurate, controllable, and has some great built-in features that make it perfect for survival on the front lines.
most of the gun nuts all agree that the best bugout bag gun is an FN-FAL.
Who, exactly? FALs that make it to the US are notoriously finicky and unreliable. The ones made by Century Arms take a lot of fiddling to make them work at all, and when they do, they’re 2MOA at best, and more likely 3MOA. Also, even in carbine configuration, it’s big and heavy.
.300BO is based off of the 5.56x45mm cartridge; it’s intended as a subsonic round–e.g., extra-quiet when you’re shooting with a silencer–and has ballistics on par with a bus. It’s big, heavy, slow, and has an incredibly short effective range.
Neither .308 (7.62x51mm NATO) nor .300BO will go through a level IV plate, which is pretty standard at this point for US soldiers.
If you want highly accurate in an AR-15 package, go for 6mm ARC. If you want highly accurate in an AR-10 package, go for 6.5CM or 6.5PRC.
Most countries have moved away from battle rifles. The biggest reason is that ammo is heavier, and heavier ammo means you can carry less. All other things being equal, the side with the most ammunition tends to win. The second reason is that engagements rarely happen at ranges that require a full-powered cartridge; a mid-sized cartridge is quite sufficient for infantry use.
any recommendations for carbines? I’ve long been under the impression that my bug-out weapon should be one that accepts the cheapest, most common, most convenient to transport ammunition possible and that perception tells me it ought to just be a handgun with a long barrel and a stock.
Warning: I’m autistic–yes, really–and guns are one of my life-long special interests. So, wall of text incoming.
PCCs (pistol caliber carbines) are handy, but I don’t know if I’d want to rely on one as a do-all bug out rifle. In my opinion, for most able-bodied people, PCCs have the worst features of both rifles and pistols; they’re bulky enough that they can’t be concealed easily, and the bullets are less powerful and have significantly shorter ranges than rifles. Some PCCs also have reliability issues, but I don’t know which ones specifically. (That said, the Kriss Vector is cool as hell, doubly so if you can get it as an SBR and silenced. Not always super reliable, but still very neat. And expensive. So, maybe not that.) On the other hand, recoil is very minimal. If you really like PCCs, then I’ve heard good things about the KP-9, which also happens to be produced by a very decent person (e.g., non-chud). PCCs are particularly good for people with some level of disability that prevents them from using a typical pistol effectively.
If you’re a normal person with normal person funds, where buying a rifle is a large purchase, I’d get a 14" AR-15 ‘pistol’ with a solid ‘wrist brace’. As long as you’re buying something nicer than Bear Creek Arsenal or Palmetto State Armory, the brand isn’t going to matter a lot. Don’t waste your money on Daniel Defense or KAC. A reliable red dot optic that’s zeroed at 50y completes the minimalist bug-out ‘pistol’. In this case, I would suggest an enclosed red dot, like the Lead & Steel Promethean; enclosed dots are less likely to get gunked up. Get a bunch of magazines, Magpul 30 rounders if your state allows them, and 10 rounders if your state doesn’t. A “combat load”, IIRC, is 210 rounds, or seven 30-round magazines; if you need that many rounds in a bug-out situation, you are well and truly fucked.
If you’ve got money to burn, I’d suggest getting a piston rifle like the Sig MCX-Spear LT in 11.5" or an FN-SCAR in 11.5" (both will be SBRs, so you’ll need a tax stamp), and then a B&T Print-X VERS36 SS silencer (.30 cal, titanium, modular, full-auto rated–which is unusual for titanium silencers–and yes, you need a tax stamp for it). Both rifles are 5.56x45mm, which means ammo is both cheap and readily available at almost any gun store anywhere. Both rifles are also piston-operated, rather than being direct impingement (DI), so the stock can fold to make it more compact. Yes, piston rifles are slightly less accurate than DI, but at the ranges that a bug-out rifle would be used, that’s probably not an issue. I’d probably get a Dead Air KeyMo adapter and mount for the silencer so you could take it off and put it on quickly, since a silencer is going to add 6-8". If you can afford it, holographic sights are slightly nicer than red dots (albeit with shorter battery life; EOTech and the Vortex AMG UH-1 are the only holographic options), and a 4x flip-up magnifier extends your range. (I use an LPVO and an offset red dot on my primary competition rifle, but that’s a bit much for a bug-out rifle.) You might want a weapon light; Surefire is the standard choice, but I use a relatively inexpensive Steamlight, and it works well enough for night matches out to about 150y or so. At the ranges that you’d ever be likely to need to use a bug-out rifle, that’s likely not a significant issue.
Personally, I don’t worry about a bug-out rifle. That’s low on my priority list. I have enough cats that bugging out means driving with eight pet carriers, not walking, so a full-sized rifle is fine for me. I’m more worried about having a good carry gun. :)
The obvious choice is to buy a multi-piece rifle, full size or pcc is up to you, that breaks into 2+ pieces.
Have your pet carriers modified to carry the pieces and some utility things like ammo/cleaning/batteries/etc.
Now when you load up your pets, you also have your carry gun!
No part of this was thought out for practicality, results may vary from intent.
Arm your kitties.
Pity that you can’t teach cats to use crew-served weapons…
The obvious choice is to buy a multi-piece rifle, full size or pcc is up to you, that breaks into 2+ pieces.
That’s pretty much al AR-15s; you can entirely separate the upper and lower receivers. But you’re probably thinking more of take-down rifles. I don’t think that most take-down rifles would be ideal in a SHTF kind of situation. And, to be very, very clear, I think that a very sudden SHTF situation where you need a rifle is very, very unlikely. I think that suddenly needing to evacuate due to weather or fires is more likely, and the kind of civil unrest that might require a rifle, well, we’re already the frog in that pot, and the water keeps getting hotter… Someone is going to throw the first rock at a protest, then it’s going to get very, very ugly, very, very fast.
Well you may not be able to get them to swap out a box magazine from a machine gun in 6 seconds, but you might be able to get them to pull a very small weapons platform? I’m thinking “1911 taped to a stick on a sled” but I’m open to brainstorming.
While you an pull the upper/lower apart, idk if I’d consider that “cat carrier size” unless you have an SBR.
My rifle would need to have the barrel and stock pulled off. Definitely need some sort of takedown rifle, but most mass produced ones are crap. I used to sell guns at a previous job, and we usually didn’t get high end stuff unless it was a special order.
I think by the time you “NEED” a rifle in an end-of-world/society scenario, most of humanity is probably dead, the nuclear fallout has mostly dissipated, and you now need one to assist in hunting/scouting. Until then, I’d wager you’re right about one not being necessary. Shorter barrels, less weight, you really aren’t going to be engaging with anyone beyond 200yds even in large urban settings.
Honestly, I confident enough with my 9mm and my 45 that I could see myself just grabbing those with my utility bag and 4 day kit, and leaving all the heavy ass rifles at home. The only exception is if there’s enough time for my wife and I to grab another round of stuff after corralling the dogs.
As for needing the rifles during civil unrest, well… I have a few neighbors who are definitely going to be ICE targets soon, and they have been invited to start shooting with us in preparation.
I miss the good old days when target practice was fun and banter was abound, now things are too far gone for any sort of levity in those situations. We all know why we are practicing, and will likely need the skills to be as polished as possible soon.
you had me at ‘special interest’ - i’m writing that BEFORE i dive into your wall of text because i want you to be assured that your expertise is appreciated <3
SIG 556-SWAT, a US-made iteration of the SIG 550 series that is out of production now.
Think it’s just the original sig 556, buddy of mine had one. The later models came with 550 style folding stocks if I remember correctly.
Oh god it’s another cursed abomination from gunnitrust.
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen it today, and if it wasn’t made by AI I have to assume someone crafted the original image, giggling to themselves as they put so many features that don’t mesh into it, while also seeming like it could.
Honestly it almost looks like a Bren 805, but something doesn’t quite look right about the receiver. Like it’s a high receiver from an AR platform, but everything else looks like an 805.
Ive been wanting to get a 308 for awhile since most of my stuff is pistol caliber or 556. Awhile back I almost got a coworkers dad to sell me his FAL, but then the day before the exchange he decided he wanted to keep it. Ah well.
I’m pretty sure it’s just the silhouette of the SG 553 from counter strike https://counterstrike.fandom.com/wiki/SG_553/Gallery?file=Sg556_hud_csgoa.png
You could probably hide it in an actual Bible. They may thump bibles; they don’t actually open them and read, though.
I came here to post exactly this. If they read and follow the Bible they wouldn’t be who they are.
If you’ve got a revolver and read Sowell, I’m going to assume you are MAGA.
Though it does give me enormous pleasure to know conservative economists like Sowell and Laffer are alive and well to see Trump drive our economy into the ditch in the dumbest way possible.
Laffer also saw the collapse of Kansas directly from implementing HIS policy over a decade ago
hide it in a bible. they never open those either.
That gun does not fit in that book. Also, choose a semi-auto over a revolver; revolvers are slow and clumsy to reload.
True, but revolvers also don’t litter the ground with shell casings that could be used against you as evidence when you have to defend yourself against, just as completely random examples, a healthcare CEO or oil exec.
I’ve never had a revolver jam either. Most of the hypothetical defending of myself should end before 6 shots. I will probably still write messages on my brass though.
Just put the gin in a cloth bag as you shoot. At that range, it’s hard to miss.
Don’t forget the juice.
I love that cover
Oof, don’t tell Ocelot that. He might take it personally.
It’s 2025, Adamska. The war is over and the Glock 9mm won.
Or put it in a Bible. None of those MAGA idiots have ever actually read a bible.
This is the only viable use of a Thomas Sowell book
Mankiw or better, friends
My pistol is in my hollowed out Bible. Not sure where to put the shotty
Really big bible?
“Why is that Bible like four feet tall?”
“Oh, that’s our family Bible. Big letter edition.”
They’ll find the gun in the ashes after they finish their book burning though
I remember seeing this meme in a conservative comment section here on Lemmy. The text, of course, switched to say Dems don’t understand economics.
Maybe nobody understands the economy because IF there is such a think as a “free market” we sure as hell ain’t in it.
Makes me wonder if I am being naive by not bringing a gun into my house.
Remember: Buy a gun safe.
What guns? I lost mine in a boating accident. Terrible tragedy, but I figure they’re a waste of money and haven’t bought another one.
Oh, all that ammo? I just keep that for emotional support. It’s been hard since the accident…
Just don’t ask what’s behind my “I sure do love me some Jesus” shrine or why the wall behind it doesn’t make sense with the wall placement in the other room, or why I have 42 copies of the Bible in extra large print on one shelf in the living room…
(LPT: they don’t open bibles and they probably wouldn’t destroy a Jesus memorial in front of others who supposedly love Jesus in order to discover the hidden door to the storage room)
