If i saw a grown man pinning a young girl on the ground, im going to kick him in the head as hard as i can first, and ask questions later. I can’t think of a single reason that he would be justified in doing that.
A vicious kick in the balls would be a good alternative.
I understand the emotion but the better option is to stop the aggressor with the minimum amount of force required to ensure he is stopped. No need to go full Punisher and open yourelf up to lawsuits.
The minimum amount of force is necessarily debilitating.
If you’re going to get in a fight with a violent aggressor it’s best to end it as quickly as possible to minimize risk to yourself and others. Going for the minimum and misjudging that is going to leave you open to harm and potential death. You don’t owe the aggressor anything. Their actions created the situation not you.
So long as you don’t go full objectivist zizian psycho about it this usually pretty reasonable.
Ender’s Solution.
No, I agree. A good, hard kick to the face with my steel toed boots, then ask questions.
Nah heat of the moment, but yeah excessive force is frowned upon just arm bar and wrap legs wait for cops (choke them for funsies)
That’s what all the child molesters say, when they get caught on video pinning down a child. Where would a child get enough money for eggs?
What a great way to make sure your house and car continue to get egged, more aggressively and more regularly to boot.
He thought the girl was throwing eggs at his apartment. What a loser, tell the landlord to do something about it, it’s not even his property.
Florida landlord caught pinning down…girl gets life in el Salvador.
The Deregulated Florida Oblast has many fine fucking residents.
Psychopath.
Egging? Who the fuck can afford egging?
Once you become a woman, you get one egg every month…but its tiny. And you’ll bleed a ton and get cramps. God…yeah that looks good!
Why did my brain immediately go to period blood water balloons?
Ya know it’s good those of us in the penis havers club aren’t supposed to bleed from our dicks monthly cuz we have an inbuilt nozzle.
felon musk
He should’ve stood his ground and shot her. /s
The city confirmed that Mutu started his job as a parking enforcement specialist last week, with an annual salary of $42,078,40.
“He is currently suspended while the situation is under review,” a city spokesperson said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is-GI8PfHkE
Oh, you’re not a real one?
“I’m a police officer, comply with my orders immediately!”
“Fuck off, meter maid!”
Yeah, that was what jumped out at me too. Paul Blart got his first whiff of authority, and immediately jumped straight to police brutality.
Shitbird thought he was a cop now and didnt have to follow any laws.
Nope.
ngl, I assumed he was a cop based on the headline
That was my favorite part
A Florida man ran down and pinned an 11-year-old girl he suspected of egging his home in a “reprehensible” confrontation that was caught on video, authorities said Monday.
In Texas, it’s legal to shoot someone egging your house, as long as they’re doing it at night and you have a reasonable belief that you can’t otherwise safely stop them. Egging a house is criminal mischief.
https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-9-42/
Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property
Current as of January 01, 2024 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
EDIT: Also, where are all these people in Florida getting affordable eggs to egg with?
It’s bullshit the laws only count at night. It should be legal in the daytime too.
If someone steals from you it’s literally legal to chase them down and shoot them to recover your property
Best law in the nation in that regard
9.42(2)(B)'s last word “and” makes it clear to satisfy the statue one must:
-Satisfy 9.41(1);
-Satisfy either 9.41(2)(A) OR 9.41(2)(B); AND
-Satisfy either 9.41(3)(A) OR 9.41(3)(B).
That reading effectively reads the final requirement out of the text or presumes some extreme fact pattern that was not mentioned.
Eggs at Aldi in Florida are under $4.50.
AND the land cannot be protected by any other means or is considered a substantial risk of serious bodily injury to the person shooting them.
Firmly believe every judge would rule an 11 year old with eggs does not fulfill those requirements and therefore would likely be charged with manslaughter of some sort.
Now… If they set foot inside their house, that might be a different story. Eggs I don’t think would be considered breaking into a house/vehicle/property
Can’t tell at night. Could be a short MS-13 member with a gun who’s egging the house. Even if you see they’re an 11 year old girl, she could also be a MS-13 super soldier.
I think you are only considering a WHITE 11 year old. And I think you are dead wrong.
Texas, man breaking and entering property, owner shoots him and is charged with murder. They aren’t hard to find, because people spread misinformation like this:
As the sun began to rise, Meyer looked outside and saw what he thought was a black bag in the park.
Shot in the neck outside his property. Is neither self defense or defense of property.
Leaving the guy dying afterwards without calling an ambulance is also neglect of his responsibility.
Even if it was inside his house, you can’t just leave somebody to die if they have been incapacitated.
He simply completely lacked plausible deniability of any kind. So I don’t get what your point is.
texas
Yeah I’ve heard enough
So they can shoot you in the back as you’re running away. got it.edit - See u/LifeInMultipleChoice comment
With this behavior from that guy, maybe there’s a reason his apartment is getting egged!
The safety of our children is non-negotiable
As long as the 2nd amendment stands, nobody has a right to safety in USA. The 2nd amendment simply doesn’t allow such a right.
So yes the safety is non negotiable, because you can’t negotiate safety when the default is that everybody is allowed to own and carry deadly weapons.Oh, fuck off. The 2A is needed now more than it’s been in decades.
The 2A is needed now more than it’s been in decades.
The second amendment was never intended to be used by citizens against the government. That is a lie cooked up by pro-gun people purposely misinterpreting history.
The second amendment exists because Madison didn’t want a large standing federal army, fearing it would put too much power into the hands of the federal government. Instead he wanted the nation’s defense to be handled by state militias.
That’s why it specifically talks about militias.
He changed his tune after the war of 1812 showed him the value of a standing federal army.
The government had no intention of being overthrown by its citizens if they decided the government was tyrannical. They put down multiple armed rebellions in the early years of the nation.
Well according the the people alive when Madison created the 2nd amendment, you’re incorrect and it was also in there to be a checksum against the federal government. But I’m sure you’re interpretation is more correct than theirs, right?
I could very well be wrong. I’m not a constitutional scholar, only repeating what I’ve learned and read. Can you show me these contemporary sources?
Right, those were talking about the ability of the states to be a check on federal power. Because military power would be in the hands of state militias.
M9stly referring to this, for anyone else who stumbles across this thread: “the Second Amendment was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, according to College of William and Mary law professor and future U.S. District Court judge St. George Tucker in 1803 in his great work Blackstone’s Commentaries: With Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of the Commonwealth of Virginia, as the “true palladium of liberty.” In addition to checking federal power, the Second Amendment also provided state governments with what Luther Martin (1744/48–1826) described as the “last coup de grace” that would enable the states “to thwart and oppose the general government.””
So says the other side too
I’d rather be in a civil war than Republicans having access to minorities that can’t fight back.
2A is needed.In a perfect world it wouldn’t be needed, but this isn’t a perfect world.
It’s really weird to see people in the US from both the left and the right protect the 2nd amendment and see it as some sort of mechanism to protect against authoritarianism. In fact, weird is putting it lightly - it’s actually kinda insane.
I’ll spare you the whole debate format because I don’t think there is any real arguing with the science and statistics behind the mass spread and use of guns in the US. I also don’t think there is any stopping the gun culture in the current paradigm because the dogma behind it has been parrotted and regurgated so much that it’s basically part of the nation’s psyche.
Guns only matter as much as the ideas of the people carrying them. Most guns in the US are not used for self-defence or to protect against government overreach, are they? When it comes down to it those are not the real reasonS why most people buy and use guns, are they? They sure make it easy though, not just to buy and use but also to rationalize and justify violence and killings.
Fighting fire with fire creates an inferno. You’re not going to put out the fire with more fire. You’re just gonna make it worse and feel self-righteous while doing it, creating an insidious cycle of violence.
It’s the 21st century. The name of the game is cognitive warfare and liberty-loving people are losing badly. Guns won’t change that.
I was following your argument right up until this point. I never thought I’d be in a position to defend guns in any way, but here we are.
Guns only matter as much as the ideas of the people carrying them. Most guns in the US are not used for self-defence or to protect against government overreach, are they?
I think answer you’re begging for here is “crime” or “violence against other humans”, but realistically I think most guns in the USA are use for putting holes in sheet of paper from a distance for practice or sport. The second most used reason is likely for sport hunting of animals.
I fully acknowledge there is absolutely problems with gun crime and violence against other humans, but as a percentage of gun use its likely much smaller than sport shooting and hunting in the USA.
When it comes down to it those are not the real reasonS why most people buy and use guns, are they? They sure make it easy though, not just to buy and use but also to rationalize and justify violence and killings.
Okay, you’ve now switched to combining “buying” and “using” as one measure. I don’t have any statistics to back this up, but I’m betting lots of guns are purchased for personal defense and perhaps never fired (even for practice) or only a few times (again for practice). My grandfather (WWII vet) carried a revolver in his car and to the best of my knowledge never fired or even brandished it. That was a different era though. Fifty years ago school shootings weren’t a thing. My father-in-law also had a pistol that he kept in the house for over two decades and never fired it once. In his old age, he lived way out in the country and occasionally we’d find out he got it out because he heard something that scared him outside (rural thefts weren’t unheard of in his area), but again he never even showed it to another person as a means of intimidation. Neither of these men were criminals, violent or otherwise.
Again, I’m not taking away any of the weight of gun violence in the USA especially when some of its victims are the most innocent such as children. I don’t believe what we have today is sustainable as a society.
The reason I’m going into all of this explanation, is that, while gun violence is absolutely a problem, painting every gun owner as a violent criminal looking to kill people weakens your argument immensely. Even if the solution that ends up being implemented is ending all gun ownership, its important to be honest with where the problem lies and what solutions have been explored so we know how to get there.
And he’s not in jail? What more do you need to consider this man a danger to society?
Serious question, what are you meant to do when kids vandalize your shit, cops don’t care and you don’t know the parents?
EDIT : Not defending the guy, just poor social skills to begin with.
Serious answer: Be a man. Get over it. They’re kids. Not everything in life is fair or legal or just. You can’t control everything! Will some older teenagers hide behind the “I’m a minor, you can’t touch me!” while taunting and provoking you? Maybe. But, again, you aren’t their parent and the law will be on their side in any kind of altercation. Don’t worry, they’ll be overworked, underpaid, and depressed just like us soon!
I had a kid who lives a block over egg my house a few years ago on Halloween. A few weeks later I saw him riding his bike and stopped him and just asked him not to do it again because it was a pain to clean properly. He apologized, thanked me for not yelling at him and then laughed when he saw my house that hasn’t been power washed in years with just a few clean spots where his eggs hit.
Now he comes over every week and plays soccer with me and my toddler and helps us with yard work in the summer.
A little bit of human decency and talking to a kid like they’re a person can go along way. Kids aren’t stupid, they just don’t know a lot of things.
Wow. All of us just cosplaying at being adults, and you pull this power move. Are you Fred Rogers reincarnated? You have to tell us if so…
Nah nothing like that. I used to be an awful person, I’m still just trying to be better.
Although even at my worst I don’t think I would ever assault a child.
Damn, that’s actually really heartwarming
Well, first step is to make sure you aren’t going after the wrong people. 🤷♂️
Also: this dude is defending his apartment complex? He doesn’t even own this shit, most likely isn’t responsible for cleaning it, either.
So why the fuck does he think he needs to be involved and to solve this through physical violence?
So why the fuck does he think he needs to be involved and to solve this through physical violence?
Significant money placed on stupidity combined with a corporal punishment upbringing. What are the odds he’s also a Republican?
Personally, I would try to get a clear photo of their face and then I would use social media to hopefully find their parents. They would have to be egging my house a few times a week though tbh, it’s a lot more work then just power washing it away.
A garden hose?
it’s not like physically attacking a child will neccessarily guarantee an end to your problems anyway. Like with everything: it kinda just depends
If anything, I want to egg his home now.
I… want an over-easy egg now.
Just clean it off. Kids are kids. If they’re doing it to your house on a frequent basis, there’s a reason for it. If it’s just once, it’s harmless fun
This is actually a great question.
But I don’t have the answer as police in my area would try and fix it.
If you can’t outsmart a kid, you’ve got problems
Report them to ICE?
satan. it looks like she is facedown. wtf. 11 years old. you could just hold her arm till the cops show.
She egged a house, she didn’t assualt someone. Fuck let her go, she is a kid and they do this shit. Grab a hose and wash the shit off.
grabbing a kids arm and waiting for the police or the parent is not that big a deal. tackling or being on top of them is. someone would have easily grabbed me for doing something like this as a kid or now in my area.
We’re all agreeing he’s an idiot from many different angles
But he didn’t shoot her, so there’s that.
