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So we dont buy US military kit. It’s got kill switches and hard to keep running without their support. It’s increasing looking like they aren’t aligned with the free world.
From a Turkish perspective, it’s fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?
Yup. Doing Putin’s work. So you’re going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.
I like this! It’s a good thing for the EU to decouple from the US. The EU’s military budget is definitely good enough, just very badly managed. This will push the EU to get its shit together and achieve proper autonomy. Only then it’ll be able to enter international agreements on equal footing with other superpowers and not have it be a serfdom relationship in exchange for protection
Yeah and what the fuck we gonna do without Raytheon/LockMart/Boeing weaponry etc? Munition?
That’s the point, figure out a way to stop relying on them. It’d have been better if it weren’t necessary to have a wake-up call like this, but if that’s what it takes to achieve that result, I’m okay with it
Yeah but no need to withdraw now, that’s like I agreed to teach you to swim but go head first in deep waters with no safeguard whatsoever
Europe is not decoupling.
Well, in a democracy it’s important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.
That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.
That is the problem with democracies - they have no active protection of their own because it would be undemocratic on principle.
This is literally the behavior of a traitor
Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole
And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I’ve never seen politicians work so fast at anything
4 years followed by 4 years of biden where republicans blocked almost everything but he is now a perfect puppet to blame for everything and now the next 6 months. But Trump already started to refill positions back then.
And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.
Russia could not even prevent Assad from falling to some militia with some training from Turkey, while Iran was also helping. What do you believe is going to happen, if they would try to fight another professional military? They are not even winning in Ukraine, which gets some support from Europe, while Russia has a full on war economy.
Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account hiw strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.
And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.
But… USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:
- a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
- USA’s allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China’s imperialism. This would.make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.
But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we’ll need to change our mindset. Heh.
I’m fairly sure Ukraine is almost stronger than EU combined right now. We would NOT speedrun Russia, and Russia is a death cult that would have hundreds if not millions of casualties on their side, even if we did (saying this as a Serbian, and we are normally very proud of our combat abilities for some reason).
Right now nearly all aid to Ukraine comes from Europe and Russia is not able to win that war. At least not easily. That is with Russia in a war economy, whereas Europe half asses deliveries for the most part and obviously there are over a million professional European soldiers with some really good kit around as well.
Oh trump’s definitely not the “daddy” in this relationship.
Good…GOOD. Immigrants in EU welcome! 😁
Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD
Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.
It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.
Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He’s been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.
This bill won’t even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump’s ear over it.
Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I’m just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.
all of which is advantageous for putin.
Not without a lot of bloodshed, unfortunately.
It seems highly unlikely for this to pass. There are so many bills being proposed but often it’s not actually relevant since it’s going nowhere.
Agreed. Sensationalist newsweek article and title.
Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east. Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw. Step 3: PROFIT.
Step 3: Become irrevelant, getting replaced by otherwise mediocre countries. That’s one way to bring world peace, I guess.
That’s fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.
Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.
On the other hand… I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn’t risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.
Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find “justifications” to raid through middle america and “bring idiocrazy” to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain’t “a good godfearing white patriot”… Because… the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum… Oh god, I’ve heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies…
Please, anyone stop them now!!!
We should wait for them to start a war with someone like Canada, and THEN ambush them. But to do that, Russia needs to be overrun.
I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.
Yes, why do people never learn from history… Especially when it endangers their lives
Damnit I remember the frogging digits of the telefonnumber we had in out flat from where we lived until 1980!
Unfortunately, that’s not how Imperial Presidencies work.
Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.
Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?
