I love how divisive this is without respect to gerrymandering.
I feel like the reason there’s been a resurgance of posts rehashing this has to do with Zohran Mamdani winning a primary in the largest city in the United States. While being openly pro-palestinian AND using the Socialist word positively to boot.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
Mamdani lends credibility to some of those 3rd party/non-voting/protest voters’ strategy.
I think this causes some… feelings.
Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he’s the candidate from one of the two big parties.
And it seems to me like the main reason the dems are unhappy with his win is that even though he won a primary, he is not very likely to win the election given American fear of socialism.
Not really. New York’s mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it’s a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he’s running as an independant.
If Cuomo voters snake the election from Mamdani I hope Cuomo has his rapey fingers crushed in a subway.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
We would also not have immigrants in concentration camps. So you know, it’s a trade off.
The US has been putting migrants in camps since the Obama days. Democrats are just better at pretending they don’t do it
This is simply not true. Detention centers under Obama are a world apart from the concentration camps under Trump. Trump is making camps with Alligator moats. He’s deporting people to countries they don’t come from. He’s sending them to prisons in El Salvador. Did Obama do those things also? No, he did not. Please cut the “both sides” crap because I have zero patience for this bullshit.
Ranked choice voting and money out of politics are much more important than this dualistic psychological warfare. Republicans lose votes to third parties, too. Don’t play their game. Vote blue if you want, but also extend love to your “deplorable” neighbor. Our division is a much stronger force for control than who is signing oligarchical legislation.
The important thing is to be more pissed at the Democrats for not being good enough than you you are at the Republicans for being evil. There is nothing worse than a western liberal, not even the pro-trans-murder party
I agree, the controlled opposition preventing real opposition is a much bigger issue than the problem itself.
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It’s really cool when you freaks say shit like “it’s a good thing that the American LGBT community and all the immigrants are getting genocided”
Really shows that you aren’t actually against genocide, you just like when Americans suffer and this gives you a good excuse
This sentiment has never made sense because libertarians steal more votes from replublicans than greens do from dems.
Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.
Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?
Shut the fuck up Jesus Christ this is so tiresome…
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
How do you have this much energy to be so smug and so flacid at the same time?
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
That’s the point - these people chose to not fight against the fascists last November. Now we’re all paying the price for it. Maybe after four years of Trump you people will finally learn how precious and fragile a thing your enfranchisement actually is.
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It actually takes very little energy to be disappointed in nonvoters for the fucked world around us.
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? OK let’s just make up quotes for eachother then
“I love eating old paint chips while I deliberately hang in an area I claim to hate, red is my favorite flavor”
-lemmyworldsuxccc circa 2025
I’m scrolling through this comment section, and all I see are empty comments from the person you’re replying to. Are they removing all the text from their comments?
Hours old account with a whiney username, my guess is they got got for ban evasion.
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Careful dipshit. If you get any more dense you might collapse in to a singularity. Though you might be doing the rest of us a favor
this yet again, still seething.
democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead
it’s almost like multiple people can be wrong for different reasons
Anybody who wants to continue the same old same old is just someone who doesn’t want to TRY something else.
That’s total bullshit. The leftists don’t get a pass for not doing the absolute minimum to stop the fascists from taking power.
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So wait, because politicians from both large parties in America are shit and complicit in genocide, all Americans are assholes who don’t care about the outside world?
I think that those fleeing the country are more likely to be those who did not choose this shit. Like I am fleeing America because my life as a gay, Jewish, pro-Palestinian socialist is under threat. But I shouldn’t be allowed to be taken in by another country cuz I don’t care, right?
Just because Democrats and Republicans are both shit parties, pressuring your government to remove those fleeing for their lives is stupid, unempathetic and extremely hypocritical.
This community is still in denial from last year I see, I guess none of you braindeads learned your lesson huh
Even funnier now that the DNC approved candidate is running as a 3rd party in NYC after losing his own primary. Suddenly no issue voting for an independent candidate there.
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Many core issues were addressed, from climate change to women’s rights and LGBTQ+ rights, to concerns over economy (which were improving and have since been downgraded).
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Opponent was objectively worse in Every. Single. Conceivable way. It is after all, a binary choice.
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Uncommitted fucked off entirely on their, absent of any comparative logic.
The biggest thing that comes out of reading threads like this is the erosion of my original belief that I thought the uncommitted were at least smarter and strategic and and more empathetic and more aware of FPTP voting. There is one big reason why Trump won: People were duped by endless amounts of billionaire’s money, seeing Trump at his best and Harris at her worst. I thought folks like you were above that; but alas, you drank the kool-aid just the same.
Edit: For the record, I think massive change in the Democratic party must come. That is not an easy task, but it’s the easiest path.
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This is a fucking pointless fight. If you’re still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn’t matter what side of the argument you’re one, you’re a part of the problem.
Y’all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn’t happen.
Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy…
First time?
It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn’t earn my vote so I didn’t, that’s pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can’t imagine that perspective but at least that’s a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.
It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.
All this said, the numbers didn’t break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there’s nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.
Sadly, they both “may” be equally bad. The dems hide it well, trump flaunts it. But they both serve only the elite. Clinton was an epstien friend. And he endorsed cuomo for NY mayor because the party asked him to. They say they want to do things that help the people. But whenever the chance comes, they somehow just can’t do it. We need more parties to at least make it so people can’t just run and win by not being then other guy.
And notice how they mostly just take turns being in charge. Either it is part of thier plan, or it is just proof that neither side actually does enough to be worth voting in repeatedly. Cause they could… but they won’t. I’m from Oregon, so my vote doesn’t matter either way. We always go blue. At least that means we get less election propaganda in the mail and on the phone.Removed by mod
3 options. 2 outcomes.
It would be nice yes
If democrat politicians weren’t so shit it wouldn’t be so close in the first place
So true, the Democrats had a fucking easy ass win all lined up and threw it so hard. 1.6B in campaign funds and they ran on, “We are changing nothing, but at least we aren’t republicans.”
Everyone below the upper middle class knows the government is not working for the people. People voted for trump because he ran on change. We know he is a liar and using politically uneducated people to push the right wing agenda, but the primary message of his campaign was what people wanted. And he won.
3rd party/non-voters didn’t help, but the loss is primarily on the Democrats.
I remember having arguments with these Blue MAGA muppets during the election. I kept trying to explain to them why it was insanity to pretend the economy was fine. But they were morons with a 1984 streak that would make Orwell blush, and thought they could just manifest their way to an election victory. They kept citing CPI data, saying, “but inflation adjusted wages have never been higher!” When you pointed out that inflation purposefully leaves out a lot of the volatility in prices people were reeling from, and how not all income groups experience inflation equally? They didn’t want to hear it.
Remember the absolutely insulting, just disgustingly condescending term “vibession?” I do. That term alone probably cost Kamala the election. The only thing that makes people angrier than having to deal with a rotten economy is to have their leaders gaslight them and pretend nothing is wrong.
These morons didn’t want to hear it. They have a three monkeys belief system. Just ignore all problems, pretend everything is fine, and just try to bluff your way to victory on election day. You point out the suicidally stupid policies that were killing the Kamala campaign, and they just acted like three year olds saying, “harumf, I guess you want Trump to win!”
This is exactly what people are referring to when they describe liberal arrogance. Criticism is unacceptable. Shut up and tow the line. Vote Blue No Matter Who (unless there’s a progressive on the ticket.)
Blue MAGA
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Anyone who says blue maga is a fucking moron
If you don’t realize MAGA can be blue, then you are likely blue MAGA. At the heart of MAGA is a rejection of reality, a willingness to embrace magical thinking over objective facts, and a loyalty to the party leaders at all cost. Trying to manifest their way to an election victory, gaslighting the electorate by claiming the economy was fine, and lying through their teeth about Biden’s condition? That is textbook MAGA behavior. Biden’s people might as well have been up there claiming he aced an intelligence exam like Trump’s people are always doing.
Anyone who can’t grok the concept of blue MAGA, or think that the blue team is immune to this intellectual sickness…is a fucking moron.
I realize you want fascism
Found the blue MAGA.
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Proud moron I see
we need to be honest with ourselves.
Being angry at republicans for blowing up the government is reasonable.
It’s also reasonable to be angry at the democrats, who sat around watching them work towards blowing up the government for fifty years and being like “hurrdurr FAIRNESS!” while doing nothing to stop it.
I think most of us are pretty angry at Democrats as well.
Yup.
I’m just reacting to all the “it’s the voter’s fault”- not you, really.
Like, No. the democrats haven’t done anything to stop this. Even when they literally campaigned on it.
Don’t blame voters.
Vote in primaries, run for office.
You know I’ve had a DNC member admit to me that they intentionally kill primary campaigns, right?
Well some progressives managed to snook in. We need more.
Lose rigged primaries
Good thing the republican ones are so much better, them being in power, right?
You’re right. Republicans are awful. Trump is awful. The Republicans handed the election to Democrats on a silver platter, and the DNC still managed to fuck it up.
Sure, all the DNC and not, you know, millions of nonvoters and such who decided it didn’t matter.
Sounds like the Democrats absolutely fucked themselves if they made millions of voters decide to sit the election out. They told voters they weren’t going to change anything, so those voters saw no point in voting
“Blue Circus wasn’t entertaining enough, so letting minorities get murdered is aktshually a completely legitimate choice beyond criticism, shitlib!”
That’s how elections work. People see their material conditions degrade and watch the powers that be do nothing, so they vote against those powers or decide that elections are a farce.
“It’s okay to let minorities be murdered if Blue Circus was REALLY unentertaining”
Fuck’s sake, you don’t even both denying it. You have fun with simping for the aestheticization of politics, one of the core components of literal fascism. It goes well with your full-throated support of Nazis taking power.
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The election was drastically skewed to the right due to tiktok and youtube propoganda.thats whT created the entire move,ent to stay home to protest Gaza. Proor to 6 months before the election, I didnt heard Jack ahit about Gaza.
If we’re ever going to fix our elections, we need to do something about influencer astrofurfing. Influencer need regulation and to be held responsible for the ahit they spew.
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You want to hand the president even more power? Are you insane?
I had to re-read their comment because this confused me… They said nothing about the president, or handing them more power? It almost reads like you replied to the wrong comment.
Why does this comment have 5 points atm? Who upvotes this?
Wanting the government to regulate free speech is putting that power directly in the hands of the executive branch. that’s why it’s not done… yet
I cast my vote and played your stupid game. What have you done besides lick blue boot?
what about the former statement makes yours occur?
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Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.
I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.
True, but I also read that the non voters were also about evenly split, it’s not like only the anti trump people stayed home.
He just had the popular advantage, mostly an indictment of the then status quo rather than an endorsement of Trump or indictment of Biden.
blaming that one guy is the mentallity that brought that country to its knees. good job, and have fun in the camps.
Jesus Christ the election is long over
Simply accept that out of two outcomes (leftists uniting to vote Democrat/leftists trying to send Democrats a message by not voting them in) both would lead to terrible consequences. It was a matter of time, it just got expedited to now instead of few years later.
You cannot vote democracy in if there’s no fair democracy in the first place. Elections are over, they won’t save you, unite over what you can do instead of wasting everything you have on infighting.
Organize and protest. Join the political organizations in your area and unionize. This is a harder way, and I know it takes time and energy to figure things out and organize and take part in all the actions made, but it is the only way that works.
Please, if you aren’t already part of your local organizing teams, go search for them right now.
