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It’s Superman you shit for brains assholes. Being good to people and fighting wrong doing while preserving life and making things better for everyone is like his whole thing.
You’d think they’d be more hung up on the fact that Superman is, himself, an illegal alien.
The extreme right (aka, most of the Conservative Party and voters) would prefer to claim him because he’s attractive, strong, and white-presenting. So they’ll happily ignore Supes’ own illegal status in lieu of smearing the image to force the character in line via societal and social pressure for creators and writers to conform.
Someone should force them all to listen to Superman Vs. The clan of the fiery cross!
It’s not a bad movie, it’s not great either. I was probably expecting too much because Gunn directed it.
One thing I wouldn’t have ever described it as is ‘Woke’. Yeah, Superman seemed to have a pretty decent (if simplistic) take on the Israel/Palestine analogues, and didn’t seem overly eager to kiss the governments ass- but the underlying power structures of oppression aren’t really examined.
If we are using the word as MAGAts have attempted to redefine it (anything they don’t like), then yeah I guess it could be ‘woke’. It has “females” with opinions, people of color and foreigners treated as human beings, a very mild critiques of Israel, an old farmer and his wife that weren’t automatically portrayed as closed minded fascists simply because they were ‘country folk’. etc.
The only semi interesting question I left the movie with is
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“Was the message from Kal-El’s parents doctored by Luthor” My guess is that it was.
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It was sort of played off as if it was legitimate but the movie never really explained. Luther himself seemed to suggest when asked that it was a legitimate and he was just looking for some dirt on the superman and found it.
It wasn’t a really satisfying explanation. I think they could have done better there.
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My guess is that they are saving the reveal that Jor-El and Lara weren’t assholes actually for a later movie.
Really shows how the US truly is a backwards country.
If the US ever wants to become a normal country it will have to ban fox news and all like it
No, news organizations shouldn’t be allowed to lie to you, yet fox news literally sued (and won) for the ability to do just this
At this point, fox news is far enough that it should be labelled a terrorist organization and anyone working there should be arrested and jailed for life for trying to destroy US democracy
They claimed they were just entertainment and no-one is stupid enough to believe them…
Yet they also claim to be a news channel. All they do is news, very onesidedly. I can’t understand why no one sued them into oblivion over this, it should have been easy.
Yet now we’re here
fox is too tame for the younger righties, its OAN AND NEWSMAX, plus listening to right wing grifters is thier preferred media now. fox is there to reinforce boomers, gen-xers and older milleneals.
Superman … who is a literal alien immigrant … is probably immigrant? Really!?! No wonder the Superman writers dumped using “Truth, Justice, and the American way”
I never wanted a black superman so bad to see some heads explode
You mean like the one that already exists in DC? Calvin Ellis
It’s chilling just how accurate that is.
If you showed that image to people in the 80s and 90s, I guess essentially pre-9/11 america, when I was young and taught america was called “the melting pot,” it would feel like a joke rather than a warning.
America has never been a melting pot. Every new group of immigrants to this country have been horribly abused and hate crimed. Not just brown people either.
yup often segregated from white areas, through GENTRIFICATION, usually the first steps and signs of gentrification is coffee shops. its not like segregation of missisipi blacks from whites.
Yeah we’re funny like that. The world’s richest nation which consists solely of immigrants and stolen resources, and everybody always wants to pull the ladder up behind them.
You aren’t wrong about the abuse, but that doesn’t make it any less a cultural melting pot for those who, you know, don’t partake in hate crime or are themselves immigrants. Believing such has been taken or never existed only assures that they will in fact take that from us, as we do not have something which to continue fending for.
Finally some good commentary.
I’m a 6’3" man weighing 230lbs. I couldn’t hold back tears with that little kid (who obviously represented Palestine) holding the Superman flag in the face of tanks and an army.
Like, fuck me dude. I have been looking for some level of solidarity after 2 years of hearing a death count repeated every morning from Amy Goodman.
It’s just a film. It’s not going to change anything about our garbage world. But if anything it made me feel a little less alone when contrasting my time spent at protests with my time spent having to listen to idiot coworkers.
He’s literally an alien from another planet. He was sent here because he lost his home planet. He’s always been an immigrant/refugee. Do these people have a single brain cell between all of them?
I say this a lot, but conservatives either have very poor media literacy, or are happily lying to further their agenda. Sometimes both.
Both, it’s both.
I had one guy try to tell me he was probably legal.
Yeah I bet he routinely reports to the Kryptonian embassy…
He also came here as a child.
He also fought Nazis. And turned the KKK into cartoon villains.
The story’s only been around 86 years. Relax.
Yeah but he’s nice. And their president told them that immigrants are rapists and killer
And eaters of dogs and cats.
No, they squished that brain cell when it caused them pain.
They all know that Trump would deport superman ya? He literally is an illegal alien.
He can try. Superman isn’t a fan of Nazis.
They don’t want to be woke. Ergo, they wish to remain sleepy sheep.
The word woke is badge of honour at this point.
Always was.
I love “insults” that are really complements
You’re smart, haha nerd!
You’re capable of empathy, haha woke!Remember “social justice warrior”? Always made me think of Superman, incidentally
I always hated it because it’s in the past tense but used in the present tense in common parlance. It should be “awakened”, but I always preferred “aware” or “cognizant” if “woke” means to describe a state of understanding of the historical patterns of predation, conquest, and subjugation along with their underlying causes between groups of people (my opinion on its definition; not meant to be taken as gospel).
However, it doesn’t matter what I think; grammatically incorrect or not, language evolves relentlessly.
A synonym for ‘anti-woke’ is ignorant, so if that’s what people want to reveal themselves to be, it’s fine by me and that’s what I’ll call them.
If it helps, the word is about 80 years old and was coined by Black musicians in the 1930s, most notably blues legend Lead Belly, who would end concerts by telling people to “stay woke”.
So it’s not just a contrived way to say “awake”; it comes from natural speech.
Your definition is pretty much the same as the original definition. It means being aware of the existence of systemic racism, and for Black people especially to be aware of the threat that entails.
That definition hasn’t really changed. If someone says they’re “anti-woke”, assume they mean that they don’t want people to be aware of systemic racism. Not that they’re denying systemic racism exists, but that they want to protect it by reducing awareness of it. You’ll find that this definition makes perfect sense in that context, and they’re using “woke” to mean the same thing Lead Belly meant in 1938. They’re just against it.
If you never break the language by being playful, the language will stagnate.
Human communication works better when people can creatively express themselves, regardless if is “correct”.
My opinion is that language can and does regress sometimes, or more specifically put, sometimes it gets harder to parse and determine meanings due to changes in common usage, irrespective of how it’s creatively expressed.
I think the lesson from that is to understand that the phenomenon is relentless and inescapable because it’s inherently a biological adaptation. It’s a fool’s errand to attempt to uphold linguistic purity, and thus, it isn’t a terribly important hill to die on, so to speak.
As a non-American it just surprises me so much that Fox News can fool so many people, especially when “critical thinking” is touted as one of the things kids learn in school, as pictured in popular media like TV shows and movies. 🤷♂️ It’s just so obviously propaganda. You can tell by just the way they behave. You barely even have to listen to what they say. 😆 (But doing so surely makes it all the more crystal clear.)
Where did you go to school? I went to school in Texas and critical thinking was not taught. I routinely got in trouble just for asking questions.
I went to school in Sweden, where I live. “Critical thinking” was not taught as a subject per se, but I get the feeling the curriculum somehow managed to put in our heads regardless. Or maybe it’s only my own circle of peers, I suppose I don’t know for sure.
Yeah, conservatives found out long ago that the more education a person gets, the less likely they are to support conservative politicians. So they have literally sabotaged their own future by gutting education, and we’re now reaping the rewards.
It’s not just lack of good education either, they also found out long ago that misinformation is a powerful tool.
People nowadays have no idea how much support socialism had and was gaining in the first half of the 20th century. Then along came J. Edgar Hoover who used the violence of the state to label leftists as ‘subversives’ and infiltrated and destroy the movements from the inside, created the ‘Red Scare’ and the blacklists, and kicked off an anti-left propaganda campaign that Fox news is continuing to this very day. And to a lesser extent the mainstream media in general.
When I was a kid (I’m 51) none of us know what communism/socialism actually was, but one thing we all knew, it was very, very bad. People are just starting to wake up to the fact that socialism isn’t from the Devil actually, but I’ve seen a sickening amount of ‘leftist’ content creators confidently giving incorrect definitions to both just this month.
What we all have to realize that it’s now on US to do the educating. We have to tell our family, friends, children, and members of the community what those things actually mean and why they are good things. No one else is going to do it if we don’t.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
What is that quote from? Sounds interesting.
If you’re not being facetious, then you should 100% read 1984 like… right now.
Followed up with Animal Farm, also by Orwell
Got’em! Not sure if these are good editions but we’ll see. They were like $2 each.
Animal Farm is the easier read out of the 2.
Enjoy.
Easier read, but kind of meaningless without knowing the context of the Soviet revolution since it’s just an allegory.
Worth reading, but I don’t consider it required in the same way I view 1984.
I started 1984 last night. Very nice world building so far. Trying to pretend that the technology described so far is out of the ordinary and futuristic. 😅
Thanks for the tip!
If you do read Animal Farm, you’re gonna want to read the wiki or something first, since the entire story is an allegory for the Soviet revolution in Russia using talking farm animals. So if you’re not familiar with that history, you’re probably going to be confused.
It’s a good book (and short) when you understand the context, but I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone the same way that I recommend 1984.
The former is looking backwards at historical events, while the latter looks forward, and describes (with disturbing accuracy) a potential authoritarian future.
Yeah I got the history and allegory part, thank you! 🙂👍
Not at all! I’ll check it out, thanks! Been eyeing it for a long time but I’m not really a book person. But maybe it could be an exception. 😁
It’s a very important book, and every adult should be required to read it.
I’m approaching 10% finished, including the foreword about Orwell’s life etc. I keep imagining what the film(s) will do to picture all of it in their own unique way. Will be fun to watch those later with the Mrs. 😊
Also from 1984:
“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”
When I was in school we read Animal Farm, but instead of 1984 they had us read Brave New World. It seemed like a more accurate commentary at the time. Just everyone blissfully unaware and high on “soma” and trivial entertainment. Bread and circuses as it were. Crazy to see what a sudden turn to 1984 we’ve taken in just a few months.
We ended up with the worst bits of both.
Good one. Yeesh. 🥶
That last sentence in particular…that’s indeed what it feels like the foreseeable future is in the US.
1984 / Orwell
Is it really fooling anyone if the people watching Fox News already follow that hateful ideology before they even turn on the TV. It’s just confirmation bias and Fox News is happy to provide it. They watch it to feel righteous and not to learn anything.
Where do they find these ideologies before they turn on the TV? Curious to know as an outsider.
Either way, if I believed something and my fellow peers within this belief spoke like this, I’d fucking start questioning my beliefs. 🤨
Depends. For lots of my Southern family, oldschool racist and Confederate roots are deep, and tied to church culture. And I’ve seen examples outside of that where things are ‘learned,’ like a macho, sexist, homophobe jerk kinda ex-friend who’s Dad was the same.
Also, talk radio was like this long before Fox got so extreme. Rush Limbaugh was huge, people like him were a staple across the rural US and can still be heard if you tune in.
In the richer eschelons (like in my private school), libertarian-mindedness is more common, and extreme social conservatism bleeds in from there, as counterintuitive as that seems.
In other words, the Fox environment has been cooking for decades (if not a centuries), and I agree: they’re catering to (and stoking) the market that’s already there.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your insights!
Later she expressed that the new superman movie was dumber than her stupid tiktok posting cunt daughter.
I’ve slowly distanced myself from political communities so now I see nonsense like this and wonder what’s going on out there.
The new Superman movie basically had the message of “Don’t be a shit person”; people are outraged.
lol, you could have said this at any point in the last 50 years and I would have believed you completely
Well you see, the movie’s message was “Don’t be a shit person, including to brown people”. You can probably tell what got conservatives so outraged.
Oh I can hear them now:
“Oh sure, and next you’ll be telling me to be nice to my dog and my kids, <slur>!”
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James Gunn said Superman is an immigrant, which he of course is.
But I guess some people thought he was born in the USA.
In the comics, for a while, they tried to pretend he was by retconning his origin to have his ship give birth to him. Happened in the '80s so you can probably guess why they did it.
It was very weird. Luckily he’s back to his normal origin now.
Once upon a time the slogan used to be “truth, justice, and the American way”. Guess which part people wanted to keep, which parts they wanted to throw out the window.
It used to be Truth, Justice, and Peace. That is until the US went into marketing mode and recruited all superheroes into ‘the American way’ for WW2 propaganda.
You prompted me to look up an article, and it’s an interesting history. Apparently, “the American way” didn’t actually appear in a comic until 1991. It’s almost exclusively a phrase for radio and television.
You should also look up the images… Nothing like Batman and Robin on the front lines while still telling kids to buy war bonds in the ads.
He wasn’t even the first to call him that so publicly. This is an official WB documentary which got released with Superman Returns in 2006. I forgot when exactly but I’m pretty sure the narrator called him that within the first, maybe 20 minutes or so.
Well yeah, he is an alien character from another planet written by two Jewish immigrants, and often deals with issues about fitting into his adopted society. This is not a new revelation, it’s a founding cornerstone of his character.
lol, like every Superman media ever? Superman is super, man. He’s always stood up for the little guy, the underdog, the (dare I say) immigrant.
Superman is literally a Christ figure. He’s basically a god, he loves humanity, and he constantly sacrifices himself to save us. Naturally, the religious right hates him.
Every superman media save for the Snyder films.
hopefully superman 2’s message is “immigrants are better than racists”
The bad guys have a military to gun down brown unmarked families to take over a neighboring country.
Zionists: and I took that personally.
