Anything but trying to solve the underlying problems. Bonus: someone makes bank.
There’s literally no number of children that can die before reasonable action is taken.
It’s not the number that matters, it’s whose kids it is getting killed. If someone were to shoot up a school filled with politicians’ kids you’ll see some change rapidly.
When a dude’s gettin’ bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin
Where were the parents at?
And look where it’s at
Middle America, now it’s a tragedy
Now it’s so sad to see
An upper-class city havin’ this happenin’…
🤔 maybe
Ya, I’m pretty skeptical too. Maybe we should try and see for sure.
but its less likely to happen since private schools tend to be in wealthy areas, and is probably gated up. and PRIVATE school admins/rich parents are very quick to get rid of “problem students” aka “quiet dismissal but not outright expulsion”, a public schools wont do that, unless it becomes serious. i was in a sub about youtube channels owner(used to follow who sent thier kid to a private school, he was forced to leave because he was displaying aggressive behaviour from seizure meds, and the school was pressuring/ostracizing the students to leave the school, last i heard the kid sits at home and does nothing.)
They sometimes are in normal schools, just under pseudonyms or not aiming for too much attention.
Doesn’t really change the fact that it’s more about whose child it is getting killed. They don’t care til it happens to them, the fucking GOP in a nutshell… Even then, significant change for the better is a crapshoot at best.
I suppose it is better than thoughts and prayers… but avoiding addressing the root cause is all politicians do.
Pray for your drone overlords to suicide bomb the mentally disturbed with too many guns before it’s too late!
Just waiting for the reports of privacy violations, and noise issues, let’s just hope that’s as bad as this gets.
I actually saw a news segment on the demo, and they said they would be thrilled if they were able to put these in every classroom and never have to use it. Im sure you would, buddy…
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I grew up in a racist environment and parroted what was around me most of my young life. It’s all I knew, I didn’t change until I experienced the world and broadened my world view. Many of these “bigots” are ignorant and exploited. They are not evil people that should be eliminated. Your way of intolerance is the same type of ignorance you claim to hate. Dehumanizing any person or group as below you and therefore justify violence against is the worse part of society and the thing that needs to be cured. Racism is just one facet of that beast.
First - you are right.
Second - questioning dogma is always virtuous, even if the dogma is “people of race A are not worse or better than people of race B”, the fact of questioning itself doesn’t cause anything bad, while banning that from being questioned also bans the similar or associated statements, and similarity\associations are subjective.
Third - the reason our world is in such shit is that it became commonly shunned to question authority and normalized to fear authority. Because common set of moral principles is authority too. Where in 1960s (segregation and much more liberal gun laws in places like USA, no voting rights for women in places like Switzerland, former Nazis everywhere feeling nice and joking about it in public in places like Germany, literal colonial wars, normalized racism and so on) it was normal, at least in books and movies, to question any person, in suit or not, demanding anything from you, and asking for some legal substantiation. Even in the bloody USSR. In our days in TV and books and imagined universes and in reality asking “why should I do that” is treated as a mutiny.
We live in a world where it’s forbidden to ask “by which right”.
At least in societies pretending to be civilized this was considered a thing of the past after WWII. Not that it didn’t exist. Now it’s normal, people look at you with hostility for saying the obvious about preemptive obedience and such.
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I’m sorry you’ve been afflicted with the disease of stupid
What do racist have to do with school shootings?
That is the dumbest question ever asked
Really. This is the dumbest question ever.
Then surely you can answer it
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That’s what I thought.
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Clearly, you’re not from this planet…we’re going through a shitty period right now
looks at crime stats / looks at quantity and scale of wars / looks at quality of sanitation
Naw, we have it pretty damn good compared compared to basically all of history.
Certainly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive to continue to improve.
✅ Don’t fix the underlying program
✅ Give $557,000 to a miltech company
We did it Patrick! We saved the city!Criminals have invaded the schools in lego city!
Build the attack drones!
How long until someone hacks one and terrorizes a school that way?
I’m sure that there are state-sponsored actors trying to do just that this very moment.
State sponsored actors? I’m 30% on that, 70% on one of the kids doing it. Maybe I have too much faith in today’s youth and their capacity for tech.
Most kids are too fucking dumb. The blyats will do it.
Most kids
It only takes one.
Could be some incel hackers from 4chan. Like people who engage in swatting would like this.
See, but even the swatters are script-kiddie equivalents. Most of the ‘computer nerds’ that some people in this thread are fetishizing / waxing nostalgic about were just following advice and guides of much more capable adults in the various industries. So if any smart person starts releasing guides about the drones’ systems, then sure, we’ll see some kids hack them, but I doubt we’ll see it happen, considering the drones’ rarity and limited access for most folks.
Maybe I have too much faith in today’s youth and their capacity for tech.
Sadly, I think maybe you do. 15 years ago, sure. Today, most of these kids aren’t using real computers. They grew up on Android or iOS devices, they’re using Chromebooks in school. They don’t actually know what a filesystem is, they don’t actually know what a network stack is. They’ve never just messed around with an os or pirated a video game.
I don’t think it’s the kids though, I guess I’m just pretty cynical about the current state of technology. It’s advanced a lot in the past couple of decades, but I’m not sure it’s really improved. It used to be that computers were a powerful tool that we could take advantage of, and they could make things easier and be a lot of fun to play with too. These days it feels like we’re the tools and the technology is taking advantage of us. And I think this generation that grew up on mobile devices has it the worst. Tech has really been able to sink its teeth into this generation, and they can’t escape it.
You say this, but there was that autistic kid that fucking hacked rockstar with a fire stick so hackers will always be around, but they probably always be the most autistic people you have ever met
It’s true, there’s always the exceptions, the edge cases. But if I’m thinking about this statistically, who’s likely to breach this first? How many hackers from column A are hammering on this, how many from column B? I just think state actors and corporate interests are in fact the thing to watch out for. There just seem to be much fewer gen z computer geeks than there were millennials.
Maybe Apple Computer colluded with the United States government dumb everybody down to keep themselves safe safer Who Knows lol
When you have a small elite, they don’t need to collude, they just develop a common climate of thought and common understanding of the future.
What pains me to think about - that these people are really brilliant for the most part, those whose names I know. Even Steve Jobs. And they were brilliant still for a few years after getting significant power.
That power still corrupted them, and this amount of “brilliant” is like a whole era, a whole phenomenon of humanity, being proven wrong.
Early 90s Apple is very nice to learn about, and early 90s Microsoft was powerful, but not evil yet, and early 90s Oracle was a really good company. And remember what Google was in its early years, they seemed the front line of the new age of openness and freedom. I won’t say anything good about early Facebook, but apparently it too managed to be good for someone.
So much for corporate propaganda.
Heh, maybe the problem started when they changed their name. They aren’t “Apple Computer” any more, they’re just “Apple”. That must have happened somewhere around 2005.
Autistic doesn’t equal genius.
Autistic special interest is not about knowing a subject well, it’s about fetish\fixation on that subject ; say, I’ve done a lot of fixing old AfterStep dockapps that don’t compile anymore, or programs from the 90s for X11, to reproduce the vibe of using a Unix-like system then. I still haven’t written a single Linux or FreeBSD driver. I haven’t even written a single Java program. BTW, found the old (Sun-era, judging by the icons and pics there ; old doesn’t mean obsolete for me, I’m fine with simple OOP and don’t need generics or lambdas or such, I know these are cool) “Java Tutorials” on the Oracle site and realized that those are almost as easy to use to make your own simple applications as TCL documentation, except Java is far more powerful (due to ability to use all the Java libraries around). And now I do know what I want to make, so the next weekend might not go in vain.
There’s genius (I dunno, someone like Wernher von Braun), there’s autistic (someone like me or your random strange kid, a real life Asakura Yoh), and there’s autistic genius (multiply the rareness of both and get the probability of a person being that ; I suppose the kinds of genius to make rare notable achievements are usually both, but not always).
state-sponsored actors
Interesting way to refer to the state of Texas
Between this and AI generated apps, hacking is sooo back
High speed LETHAL Drones flying through schools DOESNT effect Children! DRAG Queens EXISTING does!
You wait and see how quickly these things are repurposed to go after a man in a dress reading a book within 100 yards of kids.
Repurpose? You mean they are not set to DragNet from the factory?
You nailed it. True patriots understand that this country will never be free until people of any gender identity can legally operate high-speed jetpacks in schools.
That reminded me of https://dogparkdissidents.bandcamp.com/track/rainbow-drones-2
Rainbow drones with lesbian pilots
B stands for bomb in LGBT
Let’s go!
If this gets any visibility, I do have some familiarity with the weapon on board.
They call it a “pepper spray bomb” but more accurately pepper spray is generally not what your want because it sticks to walls. The “pepper” in the spray is an oil and imagine cleaning an oil off walls and stuff. If it gets into ventilation you will be breathing it for a week afterward.
No, what’s on board these is probably Pava Powder. Think Baby Powder, but s p i c y. Pava has many of the same reactions as pepper sprays, coughing, watery eyes etc. But it works better IN enclosed areas like hallways and enclosed spaces. Prisons love this stuff for incidents bigger than like 3-5 people. It can be packed into a paintball, and works in normal paintball guns (it also comes in a 40mm grenade featuring timed release!) Pava is much easier to clean, you just have to have good ventilation, as it will dissipate normally. It also doesnt trigger allergies like pepper spray can, and all it takes is a nice shower to wash yourself of it. Its really a great choice for the intended settings in which it is often deployed.
In a mobile form like drones, I can’t see the drone loading more than 10 balls due to weight, and if you’ve ever been paintballing you’d know 10 ain’t shit. A normal paintball hopper holds about 80, and for pava powder you need to score a fair number of hits or just paint a hallway with them to reach effective saturation. If each drone can hold 20-30 maybe it becomes feasible. It only takes a couple to actually do the work, but in a prison theres nowhere to run. You sit and take that accumulation. But school hallways can be 14 feet wide or more and a shooter has access to the entire building, so any misses simply…miss and begin saturating an area the shooter is leaving.
The alarm on the drone giving the shooters position away is a great touch.
Thats the fact side of things, opinion wise? Man we will do anything but fix the problems. These drones and pava are a great uh…answer for the locale, but it doesnt answer why you have a problem you need a prison grade solution. Pava dissipates into the air and its not that hard to begin to choke on your own breath. A deployment of these will give away the positions of students in adjacent rooms to the shooter. And you can fight it (you can fight pepper pray too), it’s just a matter of willpower to fight through choking air. It also guarantees a shooter will attempt to relocate in the building to outrun the pava clouds. Unless theres a way to quickly reload these drones in their ceiling mounts, the low ammo count is going to get them to fire around the halls, and will be more of a deterrent and could be effective at getting a shooter to stay away from populated rooms than actually subduing them and getting them to surrender. The alarm however i like at face value acting as a clear warning for where the shooter is at that moment. A drone following the shooter giving their position away is a fantastic solution if we aren’t going to address actual shootings.
7/10 nonlethal solution, with some side effects. I like the idea but the obvious workarounds like a mask, and causing entire rooms to start coughing and alerting the shooter to empty/full rooms, on top of the shooter wildly taking shots at the ceiling to kill an alarming drone causes a host of additional issues. For the pricetag the school could hire like 3 off-duty cops who do their job when a shooter arrives. So thats also a factor. We could also like…address mental health issues or access to firearms but this is America where we pray for evil things to stop rather than actually adressing it so, that wasn’t an answer anyway
the only things this shit is going to do is waste money and prevent law enforcement from entering schools in a timely manner. They would just start sitting back and letting the drones “secure the area” before they move in. It would do a lot to help cops be bigger pussies than they already are though.
prevent law enforcement from entering schools in a timely manner
But law enforcement doesn’t enter schools with active shooters. It turns out, law enforcement doesn’t have any obligation to protect the public at all (legally).
It does open the door for excuse making, and i wouldn’t be surprised to find out the maker of the drones has a lobbyist “suggesting” their brand to this school and then pocketing the half million.
https://www.transparencyusa.org/tx/lobbying/client/mithril-defense-inc
mithril defense is the company that makes the drones
Mithril…Palantir…hm. 🤔
Why do people having nothing at all to do with Tolkien’s values pick up his names?
It is similar to why cowards like to talk about honor?
Saint Luigi don’t fail me now
What a shithole country.
“If you’ve got something that’s preemptive, that’s immediate, that’s already there, you just can’t kill that many people in 10 to 15 seconds,” Marston said.
That’s their bar? Killing people for up to 15 seconds That’s not so bad?
How much you want to bet it’s using AI to determine who the shooter is. How much you want to bet is capable of false positives…
“The high-tech drones, which are piloted by a team of former military men and nationally ranked professional drone racers…”
former military men
Cops.
nationally ranked professional drone racers
Jimmy is one of the cops’ kids and needed a job. He’s nationally ranked #2863883.
Gotta learn to read between the bullshit 😁
This was in response to someone talking about the drones being AI-piloted.
In 15 seconds? There’s simply no way.
Oh… They might log into their account for the remote piloting app, making the drone deploy within 15 seconds.
But then they have to navigate the school manually and find the shooter. But have you ever tried to navigate a high school you’ve never set foot in before?
The main building has three flores (2, 3 and 4), between 1990-2015 they added the A, B and C buildings. A and B are on a hill, so A only has floors 1 & 2, B has floors 3 & 4. You have to go through the science building to get to the C building. Last year they added the L building next to the track. Weirdly L is right next to A (but it’s shaped like an L) also it’s not physically connected to the rest of the buildings, you have to cross the courtyard. The science building doesn’t have a letter, but it’s next to the gym, you can’t miss it.
Alright pilots, the shooter is in the M building pop up extension. Go get em.
And a short 45 minutes it’s all over…
How much you want to bet is capable of false positives…
Confidently wrong false positives, but only more than 60% of the time.
But on the upside the drone fleet will always be monitoring and collecting data as far away as their little robot eyes can see
Watch out, he’s not carrying a bible!
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Or if it could handle a case where someone manages to disarm a shooter and tries to turn their weapons on a second shooter.
Though I don’t have any confidence someone in that case would survive cops either, assuming they don’t just sit outside.
Heh, on that note, how well will the automated drones be able to differentiate shooters from police? Especially if it ends up being an off duty officer like in the case where they just sat around outside.
Hell if it’s not automated like others claim, how quickly can those pilots discern? Cops have been known to pull up and shoot people with weapons, holding assailants at gunpoint.
I also wonder what they’re planning on arming the drones with. I suspect a single shot would disable them… or a tennis racket.
Yeah though at least they won’t be in fear of their own lives in the moment.
Though proper prevention is the best option. It’s probably only a matter of time before a shooter goes in with strategy and tactics to take advantage of the chaos in such a situation.
what a great use of tax dollars. I’m sure the super rich asshole who owns this drone company has no personal relationship with with the legislators supporting this BS whatsoever.
Of course you’re right to be sure of that. Their wife, however, or their school buddy…
Entities hiring private drone security to fill in for demonstrably unreliable police is so cyberpunk
can fly through double-paned glass
um, how
Also I wonder how long it will take before this tech gets used for situations other than mass murder events
Oh it’ll be used for mass murder events.
Just not preventing them.
If they can be hacked, school shooters can stay home and kill people.
Why hack them when the company that makes them will sell one to you?
Why buy one when its probably going to use the same administration password as the rest of the entire district. Completely hack proof.
They have a “glass breaking lance” on the front
They’re armed with a 300 blackout rifle they can shoot through the glass
drones can soar through school halls at 100 mph […] and can fly through double-paned glass
Ah yes, let’s fly a deadly projectile through the hallway … maybe shatter some glass for extra shrapnel. What could go wrong?
It’s probably safer than other solutions that other countries have tried… Certainly safer than, say, banning firearms.
So many countries tried that option and have you seen their school shootings statistics?
So many countries tried that option and have you seen their school shootings statistics?
Have you seen the size of their firearm and miltech industries? Pathetic! Guns are a tool for wealth accumulation through creating an arms race where one didn’t previously exist!
(I’d sarcasm tag except I’m starting to be convinced that the above is in fact the motivation behind it all)
and get sliced to bits by a drones rotor blades.
When will they hit a student? It’s not a matter of if, but when. This is so fucking idiotic.
I mean it fires pepper spray bombs. Even when it does its job correctly, and hits an assailant, it is a wide area weapon that takes time to dissipate, particularly in an enclosed space. It will almost certainly effect other people to some degree, including those fleeing.
I don’t have a problem with pepper bombs being autonomously fired on an armed assailant, in itself, by which I mean it’s better than an autonomous pistol firing slugs into “assailants”. I would even accept some minimized-as-much-as-possible risk that it incorrectly targets the wrong person with pepper spray if they are not in immediate danger. The problem will be when the pepper bombs slow down those fleeing or divert them towards the gunman or leave someone incapacitated and unable to flee or sense danger, and hinder emergency response teams, school staff, or other individuals trying to rescue kids. A clever gunman with a gas mask could even use the drones to corral victims into easy targets. It’s just not a reliable fix to the problem and creates opportunities for whole new problems.
Well, Texas cops aren’t gonna do it…
Fair enough. Maybe we could close the police department and just have drones.
All operated by ICE. Get rid of all local police. (They’ll just be re-hired by ICE, except they will report to the king rather than locally elected officials.)
Especially not at high speeds. At least not if there aren’t some glazed doughnuts involved.
And we’re ignoring that radio control is a vulnerable technology
Or that someone could shoot the drone.
I mean, considering the cops are just going to play on their phones and actively stop people from trying to rescue children (Uvalde was more fucked up than most people remember), it makes sense to consider alternatives.
In all seriousness, this is actually a ridiculously hard problem and a horrible “solution”. Drone weapons work best against unaware/unattentive enemies in a target rich environment. While a bunch of russians are goofing off and not even bothering to close the hatch on their tanks you fly forward with a couple pounds of explosives duct taped to the drone and detonate when you get in range.
Against a shooter who is already having an endorphin high from murdering a bunch of kids and is on high alert for if/when the cops will stop their fun? They’ll hear the motors echoing through the hallways even louder than the kindergarteners bleeding out and crying for their parents who have been handcuffed for daring to try to help. They’ll shoot more kids in the time it takes the drone to get to them and children gasping for breath will likely die as their airways close up from the pepper spray bombs. Or the drone will hit a kid anyway since aiming those at high speed needs VERY good reflexes and skills.
Again, we all know the actual way to reduce the number of children murdered in school shootings. But clearly The Second Amendment is more important than the death of a few thousand kids.
I’m going to disagree with you here. I think this is an excellent use of drones. If anything, Uvalde taught us that human versions of policing have one major defect/feature…they also don’t want to die.
You throw a swarm of drones whizzing into a high pressure scenario, the shooter’s fight or flight response is going to be triggered. They’re either going to pop off a few last shots…which they likely were going to do anyway before getting caught, or they’re going to run to the nearest open door and shut it to hide.
No lethal explosives needed for this use case. A few flash bangs, maybe some tear gas, a taser or two would likely do the trick in all but the most dire of situations.
Now, what this says for our constitutional rights on the other hand…at some point we as a collective society are going to have to decide whether we want to be “free” or whether we want to be “safe”. Personally, I’m none too happy with the way I’ve seen things progress over the last 24 years.
You throw a swarm of drones whizzing into a high pressure scenario
You might be over estimating the capabilities of drones to navigate interior spaces and closed doors. And don’t forget simple jamming devices should these systems be publicized.
Jamming, here again, I’d be very surprised if a disgruntled teenager or 20-something going postal is going to put enough plan and prep to purchase jammers in their act. For those that do, drones can be tethered now.
And yes, drones can bump and do bump into things, but I think you’re underestimating just how sophisticated these the professional versions of drones have become over the last few years. We’re not talking the $100 versions with a cheap camera that you and I have anymore.
That’s fair enough. For now. (Regarding the jamming) but I’d assume the shape of things will change over time. Just like 3D printed guns.
And I guess they will just have to change policy to open all doors during an active shooter incident.
We’ve become less of both, free and safe. I don’t see this helping either of those. Btw, I just learned that the Ben Franklin quote of liberty or safety is actually out of context and was concerning a specific situation in Pennsylvania. The general idea was, don’t take away our freedom in the name of safety, give us the freedom and ability to make ourselves safe. I see these drones as an arms race to let the police do what they want to do without being in danger themselves. Oh, the kids? Well, sorry about that, shooting people is all the police are trained on.
Dallas PD were the first to kill a man with a drone because they couldn’t be bothered to wait him out.
I have a nasty feeling that getting hit by one of these is going to be very traumatic in the medical sense. A 10-20 pound object with fast spinning blades flying at up to 100mph in an enclosed space? The tragedy practically writes itself!
Kid pulls a gun in a classroom, shoots a couple of classmates before another kid starts wrestling him for the gun, ultimately the shooter and 3 students are killed a couple more wounded. Meanwhile the drones are automatically deployed in the hallways by the sound of gunfire. Their pilot is on vacation today so it goes to the on-call pilot who’s currently chilling in the pool when the call comes in and therefore doesn’t answer immediately. The drones are fully automated for the first 15 minutes of the incident because of this delay. One has its AI interpret a kids fortnite shirt depicting a sentient banana throwing a grenade as the assailant, flies through a window to get to them shattering it and blinding one kid, the drone however is damaged by the window and flies erratically hitting a few students in the heads giving them head injuries before crashing into the floor and shooting it’s entire payload in all directions. Another drone clips a wall and crashes into the face of another student severely lacerating their face. Another interprets a pair of crutches as weapons that a kid with a broken leg is using to get to his next class, and pepper sprays him and blares alarms at him causing him to fall and break another limb, meanwhile the cops arrive on scene and pile onto the incompacitated and even more injured kid as obviously the assailant because the drones AI identified him, one trigger happy officer shoots him, and this is the moment the drone pilot finally comes online and starts powering them down since he could see from the drone that went to the source of the gunshot and related it’s camera feed that the incident is cleared. Ultimately the gunman killed 3, and injured 3 more while the drones killed 4, injured 20 and police shot one more innocent because they trusted the drone’s identification (oh and the innocent who was shot is initially blamed as the shooter while the cops try to cover their asses, and 20 more schools order drones due to this “success”)
Uvalde was not what most think. It was an absolute clusterfuck of communication, not so much cowardice. Several people in charge at once, conflicting orders, no one in charge, wait, you’re not in charge?!
If someone, anyone, would have said, “Fuck this, fuck you, fuck you, fuck all y’all, I’m in command! ON ME!”, and charged, it would have been over in 1 minute flat. Many of those cops were champing at the bit to get in there, but comms and leadership was a fucking mess.
If your heart can take it, this PBS documentary is excellent.
I can never watch it again, bit I wish anyone with an opinion on the event would give it a spin.
