• FauxLiving@lemmy.world
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            Your enemy isn’t the other people of your class who are uneducated, ignorant and being manipulated.

            Your enemy is the people who are educated, rich and intentionally manipulating the most ignorant people in our society.

            I’m not saying you need to socialize with them, but recognize that the actual enemy is the people using billions of dollars to pour poisonous lies into the minds of the uneducated masses in order to grab as much power as possible.

            People get too lost in dunking on MAGA voters that they don’t focus on the people making MAGA voters.

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                Yeah, but the difference is that they are possibly redeemable, contrary to the elite pushing that crap.

                • Elite that know what they’re doing? → Gulag → Forced work for the rest of their miserable life, IDGAF.
                • Person who was manipulated in being an angry fascist through lies and fear? → rehabilitation → back to a happy life
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                  Exactly.

                  I’m a leftist living in a rural southern area. I encounter these people every day. The vast majority of people have had their sources of information deliberately poisoned and their views are rational but they’re built on lies (which, again, are deliberately created to have this effect).

                  Yeah, there are definitely bigots and people who would support this crap even without the massive disinformation campaign. But, most of them are ignorant and being misled.

                  Those people can have their views changed if the firehose of bullshit is interrupted. This is impossible if you’re creating an environment where you’re attacking people who are redeemable.

                  Your enemy isn’t other poor people, your enemy is the elites who are deliberately poisoning people’s perception of the world in order to obtain power.

                  It feels good to write angry, self-righteous crap online and be showered with upvotes. But, choosing to target other people in your class is a tactical error.

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                    Someone needs to write the propaganda leaflets to spread in their barracks I guess.

                    Can’t say it’s ever been proven that effective but you’ll get a couple of them out before the majority has to be shot to prevent their conquests and murders.

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              By “acting normal” i literally mean speaking plainly about everyday issues like the fascist takeover of our country, giant child sex trafficking coverups, abuse of military, etc. instead of pretending this is just “politics” and so we need to censor ourselves to avoid offending Trump supporters. They certainly don’t.

              I’m not suggesting “dunking” on any Trump supporters in the group, but they will likely take it that way, and if they can’t maintain adult discussions about it they will run from the truth just like most of the MAGA supporters who still haven’t gotten a clue after 8 years of this. If they don’t though, maybe they aren’t so hopeless.

              I don’t hate Trump supporters in general, but boy did they fuck this one up… If they feel bad when someone points that out i really don’t care

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                By “acting normal” i literally mean speaking plainly about everyday issues like the fascist takeover of our country, giant child sex trafficking coverups, abuse of military, etc. instead of pretending this is just “politics” and so we need to censor ourselves to avoid offending Trump supporters. They certainly don’t.

                I agree with you completely. I’m not saying you have to avoid offending Trump supporters, if you speak the truth they are going to get angry.

                I’m saying make sure you’re directing your anger at the people who are poisoning their information so that they live in an alternate reality.

                I don’t hate Trump supporters in general, but boy did they fuck this one up… If they feel bad when someone points that out i really don’t care

                Oh yes, the damage caused by people lacking media literacy and a basic education has been immense.

                But, you don’t get mad at the sheep who are shitting in your yard, you get mad at the shepherds who pushed them there.

                People trying to stir up intra-class conflict are part of the problem.

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      Yes. The way this always works is through useful idiots. There’s a core group that knows it’s bullshit, but they want to use it to pursue some other agenda. They then filter talking points to their media contacts. Those people may or may not believe it, but their paycheck depends on convincing masses of people that it’s true.

      The random MAGA guy on a Facebook post? He probably believes it. He’s two degrees removed from the people who don’t. The Enlightened Centrist who tries to mix both sides into a resemblance of an ideology is three degrees removed.

      This is also why the only “journalism” outlets that aren’t financially struggling are conservative podcasters and YouTubers.

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        I have a reasonably conservative brother but it’s hard to tell what he actually believes vs what he wants to troll with

        Most recently he got me with Harvard. Apparently it’s a hotbed of racism and harassment, so the federal government needs to step in. wtf? Does he really believe that’s anything more than a pretext to control “woke” education?