Data actually did very good duplication of art and music until Picard suggested he not be so precise but add a unique difference to make things his own. The question is, did Data adjust masterpieces through some random variation, did he tweak certain things to try and improve, or did he mix other artist work in to give a new style? Is any of this slop if a human does it?
IIRC they have a similar discussion following his violin performance. Data laments that while he gave a perfect performance in regards to technique and musicality, he was simply emulating the old masters. Someone (I think Riker?) points out that Data was the one who chose how to combine those old players’ styles together. By blending those old styles together, he had created his own unique style.
One of the points Picard made (with regards to Data’s violin playing) was that, in choosing two reference performers with radically different styles as his basis, he made a creative choice and created something new.
Unfortunately, we can see how this argument falls apart now in the way that AI slop gets produced.
I agree with the other comment that it’s different in the case of Data, probably. He’s actually intelligent, unlike current “AI” that are just statistical models. They aren’t making conscious decisions about what they think would be best. They’re just doing the thing that fits the input the best (with some noise to not be as predictable).
Data is actually examining a piece and thinking what style could compliment it. It isn’t just statistics, but an active conscious decision. He’s making considerations of why some styles could improve a piece, even though they may not have any statistical relation to each other.
(This is all under the assumption Data is what he appears to be in the show.)
I think the argument is more the one made by Mordin Solus in regard to the Collectors. Is it art? Is it of culture and ‘humanity’? Or drone machines with all of those elements stripped from their code?
Data actually did very good duplication of art and music until Picard suggested he not be so precise but add a unique difference to make things his own. The question is, did Data adjust masterpieces through some random variation, did he tweak certain things to try and improve, or did he mix other artist work in to give a new style? Is any of this slop if a human does it?
IIRC they have a similar discussion following his violin performance. Data laments that while he gave a perfect performance in regards to technique and musicality, he was simply emulating the old masters. Someone (I think Riker?) points out that Data was the one who chose how to combine those old players’ styles together. By blending those old styles together, he had created his own unique style.
One of the points Picard made (with regards to Data’s violin playing) was that, in choosing two reference performers with radically different styles as his basis, he made a creative choice and created something new.
Unfortunately, we can see how this argument falls apart now in the way that AI slop gets produced.
I disagree;
Data is sentient and made a conscious choice based on his preferences.
Modern AI is fed the information it can pull from.
Data is probably much more than probability rating for choices… but we don’t know how a positronic brain works either, so…
I always figured it worked like an electronic brain, but with the opposite charge
Listen here you little shit.
It blinks… a lot.
Data’s head being pretty much just full of jumper wires and LEDs is hilarious.
Maybe the blinking is Noonien Soongs implementation of a christmas easter-egg like in VLC
I agree with the other comment that it’s different in the case of Data, probably. He’s actually intelligent, unlike current “AI” that are just statistical models. They aren’t making conscious decisions about what they think would be best. They’re just doing the thing that fits the input the best (with some noise to not be as predictable).
Data is actually examining a piece and thinking what style could compliment it. It isn’t just statistics, but an active conscious decision. He’s making considerations of why some styles could improve a piece, even though they may not have any statistical relation to each other.
(This is all under the assumption Data is what he appears to be in the show.)
Picard, looking at modern art: “Pfft, my second officer could paint that.”
If ST:PIC season 1 is cannon for you, he painted originals before his destruction on scimitar. So do with that what you will.
I think the argument is more the one made by Mordin Solus in regard to the Collectors. Is it art? Is it of culture and ‘humanity’? Or drone machines with all of those elements stripped from their code?