Hypothetically, if governments wordwide just suddenly became authoritarian and deleted all records of history, you and some survivors escape to a remote area outside of government control, they all can’t remember much from history (either didn’t pay attwntion in class, or suffers memory loss from the governemtn attacks) and so you are designated as this community’s official historian. How much can you remember? What’s gonna be the official narrative of your little rebel community?
“Ok kids the last 5000 years were just an endless string of dick waving contests. They said that we had to knew history so we wouldn’t repeat the same errors of the past but that was a fucking lie. Now who’s up for some science?”
When it comes to American history, I could do American independence - present day. Most public education stops at world war 2, you never really learn about Korea or vietnam. You might learn about the civil rights movement during black history month, but it wasn’t well covered in my school. I was born in 1979. I’ve had to educate myself about stagflation that happened in the 70, along with the geopolitical events that helped stagflation, which includes british and american usurping iranian sovergnty to install a dictator that looked favorably upon capitalists oil interests, which brought me to the iran hostage crisis, which eventually gave way to a war between iraq and iran and the contra scandal. The shit Reagan and his officials got up to is insane, and Reagan managed to maintain enough deniability and have fall guys to keep from being impeached. There was a halfhearted attempt with H.Res.370 — 98th Congress (1983-1984) to Impeach President Reagan of the high crime or misdemeanor of: (1) ordering the invasion of Grenada, in violation of the Constitution and certain treaty obligations; and (2) preventing news coverage of such invasion. There was another attempt for the contra scandal. I’m old enough to remember the Berlin wall coming down. I lived through Kuwait, Iraq invasions, Tiananmen Square massacre, 9/11 and the bin laden hunt, Clinton deregulation of telecoms, yugoslavian civil war, 2000 dot com bubble recession, 2008 housing bubble recession, covid, and trump installed as president to enable facism/techno feudulism . . . we didn’t start the fire.
War, no rights for most, war, war, more war, fight for rights (for everyone who wasn’t an old, rich man) worldwide, more war, we got rights granted for a lot of groups, and now in the big 2025 they’re being threatened because of said old rich men
I could probably recite Bill Wurtz’s “History of the entire world i guess”. And go into some more detail if someone asked.
This is why books are so important. Real, physical, paper books. The scenario you are proposing is precisely what Fahrenheit 451 is about.
Funnily enough RB, the author of F451, insists that everyone else is wrong, and that book is actually about falling literacy rates due to television viewership.
The book is prescient as hell. He saw the natural consequences of that reality and followed it to it’s logical, inevitable ends. He may not have intended for the book to be about censorship, but censorship is an unavoidable, inevitable outcome for a society in which most people are uneducated, uninformed, ambivalent ignoramuses. There will always be someone to take advantage of them and to make sure that advantage is defended.
How do I print the 100GB English Wikipedia?
How do I even transport something that big without the authoritarian governmwnt noticing?
“Print”?
I mean, you’re in a fascist global dystopia and you’re gonna get picky about formats? I can carry a copy of Wikipedia in a SD card the size of my pinky nail, and I know because I have one. Who are these hipster kids that look at my Wonder Phone of Truth and go “well, this would be a lot easier on my eyeballs if you got me a paperback edition”.
the catch is that the Fahrenheit 451 scenario nowadays just require a storage device to fail… very ecological, Greta must approve it
There were Romans (basically Greek cosplayers), some dude with elephants who may or may not have been a cannibal. Then some dude got nailed to some lumber for trying to tell people to chill and love eachother. A few thousand years of fighting about that. Columbo sailed to India but found Aztecs instead. The cubs finally won… And that about brings us up to date.
I literally have multiple copies of Wikipedia offline. Including one on a USB stick.
I don’t think it would ever be possible to delete all records of history short of blowing up the entire planet at which point its quite moot.
I’d remember that the Undertaker threw Mankind off the top of Hell In A Cell and through the commentator’s table.
In 1998 no less. Also, he plummeted 16 feet! Bah God!
“Look kid, all you need to know is that up until 2016 the world was simpler, but then they killed a gorilla which lead to the rise of fascism in 2025”
RIP Hambe. He was the best of us.
Dance off for hambe
The government doesn’t control all the information. I’ll still have my offline copy of Wikipedia, on my phone, that contains a lot of the world’s history. Apart from that I just remember some mythology, some stuff about the Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Incas, British, Americans, and Indians, plus a reasonable understanding of WW2 and the holocaust, plus various historical events that have happened in my lifetime.
This hypothetical is assuming you are in an active warzone (think like 1984’s world) and have no time to find your stuff, or you just accidentally drop it while running away from government troops.
You just had to run until you find a safe place (like a secret underground bunker or something) and have nothing on you beside your memories.
While I understand it doesn’t quite fit the scenario, it does strike me as a good way to preserve “lost information” in a similar situation. Pair that with a solar charger (or even improvise something like a pedal charger), and you’re pretty set for a lot of basic information people would struggle to reconstruct.
Some ebook readers have a microsd card slot, so you could fit an offline copy of Wikipedia on a device with half a year of battery life (in airplane mode)
So… US History, I’ve got you:
Okay, in 1607 we started a colony in a place that would later be famous for having a lot of racists. For about a hundred years we were happy fucking over Native Americans, then people wanted to stop paying taxes, so we had a war with England. We won, with a lot of help from the French, but we don’t give them much credit. We spent another 3/4 of a century fucking over Native Americans, building shit, and importing slaves, mostly from Africa. Then we had a Civil War about the slaves, killed each other a bunch, and in a huge surprise that no one saw coming, the part of the country that had all the industry won. We set the slaves free, so we could continue to treat them like crap. Then we went back to fucking over Native Americans, built a bunch of stuff (some of it was pretty cool), and started fucking around with the rest of the world. We started bringing in immigrants when things got shitty in other parts of the world, because we needed people to expand and someone else to be prejudiced against. We had some economic issues because some people wanted to be really rich, I’m sure taxes factored in there somewhere, but we pulled ourselves out of that with a couple of big wars and then we sorta took over half the world. We went to the moon, and appointed ourselves as “all around cool guys”, although there were still a lot of issues with minorities and a big fracas about civil rights that some folks still haven’t gotten over. But we thought we had to be tough guys to keep the USSR from making communism a thing, so we kinda ignored all that and started spending money on nukes and proxy wars instead of going to the moon. Rich people decided they didn’t want to pay taxes again, and Reganomics mindfucked a generation of people into thinking you can run a country anywhere other than right into the fucking ground that way. After the Soviets made a mess of their half of the world and fucked off, we decided that things were too quiet and really started fucking stuff up in earnest. We pissed off a fresh batch of people in the middle east, because oil, and just kinda stirred the shit pot everywhere else because we were the biggest kid on the block. We also started the habit of surveilling everyone after some terrorists attacked us. Some of what we did might have been helpful, but there’s so much chaos and so many pissed off people now it’s hard to tell. Fast forward and some of us have figured out that we’re causing problems, but we’re neck deep in the sunk cost fallacy and busy letting people continue to promise us they can run the country better if rich folks pay less taxes.
TL;DR: It’s taxes all the way down.
That’s the ending of Fahrenheit 451!
For me, the risk is remembering things that are factually wrong. With no one to correct me, I would be worried about getting stuff wrong the whole time
And the beginning of A Canticle for Leibowitz!
Amazing book
A lot less than I think I could
Quite a bit actually as I’m a history nerd. But, it would come bits and pieces at a time because that’s how my mind works. Even if I sit here thinking about even Americas history, I’ll leave holes in the story, and like a week later, “oh yeah this should have been part of that” so I’d have to write it all down in notes and compile it later to write a book, only then would I be able to teach anybody. Because nobody’s learning much by riding my train of thought.
Also the TV show friends will never be spoken of again.
I have a stack of Encyclopedia Britannica in my parents storage.
I have a stack of the Animorphs in my attic. Yours is just speculative fiction.
…huh?
How would you prove that your books reflect the true history?
Ok, I see what you mean. Counterpoint: how could/would anyone? If someone wanted to have “faith” enough they could feasibly handwave away anything that didn’t jive with what they wanted the past to be. And in a situation where cross referencing would be nigh on impossible? I mean…I’ve got nothing. “Trust me bro.”
All records of history have been deleted.
Like others, I question the ability to delete a book. And while a regime would be able to change digital literature easily, and educational literature like school books being a close second; changing a book in someone’s storage unit is a lot harder.
It also handwaves away the other ways we keep history as well. Would people’s family photo albums be deleted? What about a great grandma’s diary? In some rural areas the family bible has some insanely well kept family records.
You can’t delete a book
“Hypothetically”
Quick question - did you have breakfast this morning?……
You can’t delete a book
nonsense, raise it’s temp to 451f and it’ll delete easily.
That’s missing the entire point of this hypothetical question.