Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget what raiding and pillaging involves, especially during that time. I hate when people try to romanticize that crap. It’s like if 1000 years from now someone tried to romanticize Nazis or Russian soldiers.
Even just regular war was awful before industrialization. Marching armies basically depleted every place they went through of resources, because for a long time there was just no other way to operate. And that means that the people whose food was just taken might starve in the near future.
And that’s if the army was nice, rape and pillaging of money and any valuable goods was also very common, even when the army was still marching within the area it was supposed to protect from invasion.
War isn’t nice nowadays, either, but it’s at least possible to arrive at a war theater without destroying every place on the way, too.
Except not really? Even in the source you linked, what was disapproved was being fucked by another man, but fucking a man wasn’t a problem. That’a not an exceptional view, the Romans had the same perspective. So the meme stands
Pagan Viking views on sexuality were more akin to pagan Roman views, it’s true (though arguably more extreme; Julius Caesar was called “every woman’s man and every man’s woman” and “the Queen of Bithynia” in his day, and so far as we know he never got to kill anyone over it). By the end of the end of the Viking age, post Christianisation, that may have been more or less true. But either way, it’s safe to say that the Vikings would not approve of a relationship between two men.
The meme certainly suggests without any other context that the Vikings would disapprove of homophobia, and that seems to me to just not be the case.
It’s homophobic to look down on someone for being a bottom. How is this hard to understand? It’s nothing new either, it’s something that’s been around for a while and which is part of macho and homophobic culture. You can see that in prison rape/culture as well. No one questions your manliness if you’re the top, but if you’re a bottom you get called the bitch.
It’s not just the right that engages in blatant revisionist history of Vikings.
Yeah, a lot of people seem to forget what raiding and pillaging involves, especially during that time. I hate when people try to romanticize that crap. It’s like if 1000 years from now someone tried to romanticize Nazis or Russian soldiers.
And they will. It’s such a bummer knowing they’ll turn into some trope-y aggressive dorks or something.
Even just regular war was awful before industrialization. Marching armies basically depleted every place they went through of resources, because for a long time there was just no other way to operate. And that means that the people whose food was just taken might starve in the near future.
And that’s if the army was nice, rape and pillaging of money and any valuable goods was also very common, even when the army was still marching within the area it was supposed to protect from invasion.
War isn’t nice nowadays, either, but it’s at least possible to arrive at a war theater without destroying every place on the way, too.
Can you give me examples of the left doing it then?
This meme. Vikings were mad homophobic.
Except not really? Even in the source you linked, what was disapproved was being fucked by another man, but fucking a man wasn’t a problem. That’a not an exceptional view, the Romans had the same perspective. So the meme stands
Disapproving of a man being fucked is literally homophobia, my dude
Ok? I’m not saying they weren’t homophobic, I’m saying their specific flavor of homophobia wouldn’t clash with the depiction in that specific meme
Pagan Viking views on sexuality were more akin to pagan Roman views, it’s true (though arguably more extreme; Julius Caesar was called “every woman’s man and every man’s woman” and “the Queen of Bithynia” in his day, and so far as we know he never got to kill anyone over it). By the end of the end of the Viking age, post Christianisation, that may have been more or less true. But either way, it’s safe to say that the Vikings would not approve of a relationship between two men.
The meme certainly suggests without any other context that the Vikings would disapprove of homophobia, and that seems to me to just not be the case.
So it’s homophobic now to be exclusively top? Y’all just silly.
To exclusively top and to disapprove being fucked are two separate things
It’s homophobic to look down on someone for being a bottom. How is this hard to understand? It’s nothing new either, it’s something that’s been around for a while and which is part of macho and homophobic culture. You can see that in prison rape/culture as well. No one questions your manliness if you’re the top, but if you’re a bottom you get called the bitch.