I actually liked that Archer was so often out of his depth and had to put on a false confidence. It’d be weird if Starfleet just immediately hit the ground running with an absolute heavyweight of a captain like Picard or something.
I feel like it was a purposeful character choice to have him bumbling around, not really sure what the fuck he was doing, but having to act as if he did for the sake of the crew.
He’s meant to be somewhat bad at his job, and regularly confidently incorrect.
Not to mention that a lot of his actions become the basis for which the Prime Directive is created. Dude was a bit less “cowboy diplomacy” and more straightforward “cowboy” with decision making.
The “your not my real dad!” relationship with Vulcans at the started didn’t help either.
I don’t care for a lot of discovery, but I can’t say it’s not entertaining. I have made it to season 2 episode 9 so far. Not sure why but I stopped there and picked up another show.
It doesn’t rank in my top 3 series, but it’s not deserving of all the hate it gets.
I love strange new worlds, haven’t seen the newest season yet but I’m working on rewatching the whole series.
I haven’t seen Picard, and honestly I don’t think I will. I won’t pass judgment on it’s quality, as I haven’t seen any of it, but I know enough to know I might be disappointed.
And if I’m being honest with myself I just want to keep the nostalgia of TNG the way it is: Pretending Nemesis never happened.
The new shows are overall good. Every show has its hits and misses. I skip a lot of season 1 TNG.
And I skip the intro of every Enterprise episode. No, I don’t have enough faith, at least not while watching the show. It’s a banger though and in my Playlist.
It’s okay to not like the new shows, it’s not okay to shit on other people who do.
I hate to break it to you but s3 of SNW takes a major dip in quality.
S3 of Picard is watchable without having seen the first 2 seasons (the second season is the worst Star Trek I have ever sat through), and gives the characters the send off they deserve.
Despite the issues with S3, I’d still say it isn’t horrible and worth watching. There’s a couple good episodes, and hey - it’s not TNG S1.
I loved the first two seasons of SNW, but I had to stop watching at the holodeck episode in season 3. Are there any episodes after that one that are worth watching?
There’s one where the enterprise gets trapped by a giant scavenger ship which is ok, if a bit cliché. I stopped watching after maybe episode 7.
Happy to have first watched Enterprise more than ten years after its initial run.
Let me watch it objectively without too much influencing from outside…I’m watching it for the first time, almost at the end of s3. Honestly it’s pretty decent. The Xindi stuff was on shaky ground for a while, but they recovered. It’s good, but I haven’t had any episodes stand out as particularly excellent or terrible
That’s it: Overall pretty solid.
E.g. definitely better first season than TNG.
Xindi was crap imho, but some really good stuff in season 4.
I was sad that they didn’t produce more after that.That first season of tng showed us how functional data is I wouldn’t change it for the urge
I wish I had watched it when it first came out. I was one of those who lsitened to others saying it wasn’t good. Since I was deployed I couldn’t watch it live so I never did watch it until about a decade later. Now it’s one of my top ten favorite trek series.
I kid, it’s #4 behind VOY, DS9, and TNG
it’s #4 behind VOY, DS9, and TNG
I largely agree with you here, with the exception of VOY.
Only Trek series I had to force myself through (even omitting an especially bad season almost completely - I think it was season 2…?).
Didn’t watch Discovery yet, though, and not sure if I should… ;-)
Enterprise wasn’t my favorite but I understand how people like it. Strange New Worlds is weird but I understand how people like it. Picard was a shitload of fan service but I understand how people like it. Lower Decks has very generic animation, but I understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Yeah me neither, but I still sorta like the show in a popcorn movie kinda of way. What really really annoys me about the show is Michelle Yeoh. A major miscast. Great actress but she can’t really play a evil bitch boss convincingly, she just reminds me of the try-hard Asian tiger moms in my family. Just straight up cringe. I’m still glad Discovery exists so Strange New Worlds could get greenlit.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Have you watched past the reveal of Captain Lorca’s past?
The reveal makes many of the very not-Trek first season issues suddenly feel much Trek.
I can see how that reveal might not play well to some. But it worked for me, and helped me forgive a bunch of issues I had with Discovery season 1.
The mirror universe episodes of Trek are my least favorite. Making that an integral part of a show that had already retconed a bunch of crap and added the force but mushrooms was the final straw for me.
If you mean something further than that then no, but frankly I shouldn’t have to watch a dozen or more hours of a show to get to the good part.
I am glad you liked it though.
I had the opposite reaction to the Lorca reveal. He was the only interesting character at that point and they just threw it away.
I waited for the big reveal that all took place in the Mirrorverse. That would have explained a lot!
Then have them travel to our Universe and adapt to it. But no, between Archer and Kirk Starfleet must have recruited just the worst of the worst.
Could have been a cool story.
But no, between Archer and Kirk Starfleet must have recruited just the worst of the worst.
All good points.
But I’ve done some mental gymnastics to make it work. We actually know:
Lorca and Saru backstory Spoilers
Lorca defied orders to recruit Burnam, and keep Burnam out of space jail.
I also assume Lorca recruited Saru specifically because Saru’s native culture includes lots of putting up with inane bullshit, which was useful to Lorca after disposing of original Lorca’s body.
And I assume that the same character in my spoiler tag recruited various dysfunctional crew, while Saru recruited those crew that actually perform like Starfleet officers.
So basically, with enough mental hoops, I can assume that only Discovery, itself, is crewed unusually for Starfleet.
Edit: I also feel that Archer’s bring-my-dog-to-work leadership should also shoulder some blame. And Kirk is still a low ranking officer at this point, so we haven’t reached Starfleets prime.
Which new show am I hating on?
(Also I liked enterprise. Just skip the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef.)(discovery. Not so much.)
Aside from the fucking God awful theme song, I actually liked Enterprise
I actually liked the theme song tbh. Its cheesy but has a charm to it and I think it fits the “early exploration” kind of vibe they seemed to be going for with the setting and timeframe choice.
At least in my peer group, people hated Voyager when it was running too.
I didn’t necessarily hate it, but it was a significant step down after DS9 and TNG.
(And to demonstrate that I am not biased against new Star Treks: I am one of the few human beings alive who loved the first season of Star Trek: Picard when it came out!)
There was alot to like about Voyager but they also dropped the ball alot too.
I remember people hating on DS9 and TNG as well.
Pretty much every series has had plenty of people who just hate it for not being the previous series.
Which is why I ignored people dogging on Discovery and just watched and enjoyed it, same as the rest.
(I’ll admit to being harsh on Enterprise at first, but a lot of it was that intro… Plus, it did take a while to get its feet under it)
I liked Scott Bakula in Quantum Leap but he really did ruin Enterprise. Watching an episode like Coal Creek with essentially no Bakula is like a sad reminder of how good that show could have been.
Same. And I LOVE Bakula and I’m one of the rare people that likes Ent, especially the first seasons (I know!)
He was the worst fit of all the main cast IMO.
