I took a deep breath before writing this. Just so you know. I understand what I’m getting myself into. Again.
But no. They’re not.
This is conspiracy thinking dressed up as insight.
They’re not spending hundreds of billions of dollars building AI data centers because they secretly want to create a “digital prison.” They’re building them because they expect them to generate hundreds of billions in future profits. It’s an investment in compute infrastructure, not some grand surveillance plot.
If governments or corporations want to surveil people, they already have far cheaper and more effective ways of doing it than constructing massive AI clusters.
Posts like this don’t inform anyone or encourage serious discussion. They just replace evidence with paranoia and drag the quality of the platform down.
What they are more likely building is regional processing centers. Meaning most people have a tablet, a laptop, and a phone. All with ram, silicone, memory, and resources that sit the majority of the time. The phone gets more usage. But what if those tools were access points to a larger computer that did the processing for you? What if meant instead of having a stronger chip on your phone you just had sufficient speed of transfer for a larger computer to do the processing?
That would reduce the production costs of everything. Be easier to manage the supply chain, require fewer rare earth minerals
AND they can control/monitor all of the throughput? Security against enemies.
In a perfect world this sounds fantastic, but it will most certainly be exploited.
You know… Because people.
Oh yeah, this will totally only be used altruisticly. No funny business.
that’s when they take the discs away
Yup. Once they have crested a point of adoption they are okay with. They don’t even need 50% of the population. They just need to split the room enough that we group ourselves according to arrow’s fallacy.
No, they are probably just building data centers to replace any non-physical labor with AI. And hope to be able to do that in the future for physical labor with robots: To create a permanent underclass of unemployed people and the 1% living like gods.
Not really better but that’s what it looks like to me.
I don’t want the internet any mores. I want underwebs!!
*Already built and expanding
I remember 5-10 years ago looking at China and thinking this sounds too crazy to be true, no way they give their citizens negative points for walking a red light, no way you can’t access the internet outside of China, no way you have to work 6 days 12 hours. Lately most of the times i thought ‘no way …’ it was after reading news about the US.
The world cup has been a huge boon to AI surveillance.
The World Cup does not create the surveillance state — but it has become one of the most efficient mechanisms for funding, deploying, legitimizing, and permanently embedding it across the globe, one tournament at a time.
Lay flat. Seriously, society is like two weeks to two months from collapsing at any moment. All anyone has to do is literally just not go to work for two weeks in mass. The power goes out, water stops running, and the grocery store goes empty. You share your resources with your neighbors. You don’t even need to get out of bed to collapse the system.
literally
Probably not
two weeks in mass.
Bone apple tea!
- in mass - that’s like boycotting Church
- en masse - as a group
in mass - that’s like boycotting Church
Which is not a bad idea, actually. After all the things that the Abrahamic Church had done (and still do in a socially-veiled manner nowadays), especially against the women, boycotting Church is the least we oughta do. All the Sisters and their Daughters who were murdered back in the so-called “witch-hunting” are still awaiting the due historical reparation as I’m writing this.
They weren’t speaking french, why did you correct it to french words?
En masse is one of the millions of useful expressions stolen by English from other languages. (We call it “borrowed” or “loanwords,” but we’re not going to give them back!)
It doesn’t literally mean “in mass,” which would refer to measuring weight or volume, or could mean being in a Catholic church during a service.
If you wanted to use a different expression to denote the whole of the working population acting in unison you could, but “en masse” carries some appropriate French revolutionary connotations and avoids the communist implications of “the masses,” which could hamper recruiting.
Why did you respond with a sentence almost entirely in German?
Bet this guy pronounces it gillateen
I thought this was funny bro.
Now short for in massive quantity. There isn’t that much food in stores. Even less when the trucks stop coming. Most power is generated on demand, the moment people stop showing up to work at the generation site and load balancing site it turns off.
No, “in mass” means you’re physically located in Massachusetts. “En masse” means massive quantity, that’s the point of their post, that’s the expression, its loaner words from French; you’ve never heard anyone say “in mass” in this context in your life, you have been hearing “en masse” incorrectly because your education system failed you.
Goodness, a person makes one error and now the entire education system is in shambles.
these are fucking hilarious, im hoping everyone Is being tongue in cheek.
I think you mean “tung en cheeke”
Don’t let them convince you it’s an error, language is descriptive and “mass” to describe a group of people is a common English definition. They are just being pedants.
I agree, I’m kinda used to it now. People on Lemmy can be very delicate and beautiful flowers. Literally the smallest disturbance from their desire and they can go on a cursing tirade. If one didn’t know any better one might think the sky was falling. You should see some of the comment chains I’ve been through in my short time here. Although two of those people seemed truly disturbed.
So your solution is to cause a famine and leave people without power during a heatwave?
Wouldn’t it be better to attack things like shareholder value instead of supply chains?
After overthrowing the billionaire caste, we’ll still need those supply chains. You know that, right?
More so to turn off the switch for a day or two, that would most likely be all that is needed.
Most power is generated on demand
Until very recently, all power was generated on demand. The amount of power generated and the amount of power consumed had to be exactly equal at all times.
Though now we do have battery farms and other forms of grid-level storage in some places to help balance the variability of renewable sources.
Its interesting being in other countries and you can watch the load / supply change with a standing fan. Speeds up, slows down, lol goes out.
I have heard many variations to this point but I would like to point out a counter example. The great depression in the US that lasted for a decade. The average income level for families fell by 40%. People regularly starved to death and even by WWII almost 50% of men were turned away from recruitment because they were malnourished.
Guess what? No revolution, no collapse just massive suffering.
Motherfuckers can’t even stop buying cheap garbage from Amazon, but we’re gonna expect that they can sacrifice their personal livelihoods and risk starvation? Yeah right.
I’d put it more like people can’t take one day to go vote (two if we count primaries).
Like you said- people aren’t making this grand sacrifice and it’s foolish to expect them to, especially given the sacrifice is far, far greater.
Thats why im going the opposite route, I’m trying to drag people into the stock market with me, get em all hype up on greed and the promise of being rich… then watch them lose everything and discover capitalism is a rigged game and bail.
The infrastructure kept on ticking for those that needed it. The ports kept on moving goods. The power generation kept on, the truckers kept on, society kept on. We’re not talking about an actual collapse of society, more so a game of chicken with people who think they are in charge. The right people aka the ones who actually facilitate the basic functions of society just stay home a few days. That’s enough to get the point across.
That is not really accurate for the great depression as the infrastructure definitely collapsed, but I get your point.
I think there is a profound disconnect here about the power of the people. That is my bigger point that humans will suffer through far far far worse than what we are dealing with now without any sort of pushback.
In some ways it feels like this is almost a mythology when you compare people protesting to getting what they want. The only times this seems to happen is when the wealthy and the common man’s goals align and increasingly in our modern world this is dictated by the persuasive propaganda of corporations. Basically people are convinced to go along with what the wealthy want.
The burn is that the wealthy can and will ignore the people regardless of their desires. The most recent riots and protests in France about raising the retirement age are a great example of this. The people protested violently and in the end the age was raised as the wealthy dictated.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying we can’t do anything. Simply put protesting isn’t the power people think it is and civilization isn’t going to revolt just because things get bad.
Great example with France, a population thats actually civically active and resistant to government bullshit
I sometimes wonder if people understand that the data centers get customers to fill the space in it. Like there’s 40 customers in one data center. Randomly chosen number used for ease if explaining. Could be 10 or 100 different companies renting space for the services.
You’re talking about a colo. Larger companies will have their own datacenters dedicated to their own services.
Eh.
The purpose of the AI is the surveillance…
It’s all one thing.
The cameras record plates, the towers log phones. Everything records browsing data.
All that goes to a data center to be saved indefinitely.
AI constantly tries to organize it into profiles indexed via search tags.
Then if they want to look at anyone, they have a complete file on everyone ready at an instant. If they don’t have someone to look at, they ask AI for a list of everyone that was in the right places at the right times. Then the AI looks at the browsing history of everyone and any redflags there or anywhere else.
It’s 100% how they got Luigi, and if it comes out during the trial that the same file already exists for everyone in America, citizen or not…
The whole house of cards crashes down, because even the racists will be able to figure out that means ICE could just deport all the criminals if they wanted to. And everyone left of the racists (including the people who don’t give a fuck) will be pissed for the right reasons.
They got Luigi because a McDonald’s employee believed the bullshit about there being reward money for narcing.
No.
Altoona police responded to the 911 call placed by the McDonald’s manager, who said multiple customers told her a person in the back corner looked like the man wanted by New York authorities for assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
“They’re just really upset, and they’re, like, coming to me. And I was like, well, I can’t approach him, you know?,” the manager said.
During the 911 call, the dispatcher tried to get a description. The manager told her that because of how the man was dressed, it was hard to get a good look.
“Well, he has a beanie pulled down, so the only thing you can see is his eyebrows,” the manager told 911.
https://www.wtaj.com/news/local-news/911-call-released-in-luigi-mangione-arrest/
His bus stopped at a McDonald’s and multiple “random” customers kept trying to get an employee to call, getting upset with them when they wouldn’t but refusing to call themselves.
Even tho you couldn’t see what he looked like.
That smells exactly like they knew he was on the bus, and needed a civilian to call in a tip to justify the huge response that magically showed up in the middle of nowhere in minutes.
The most likely explanation is all those super concerned citizens who didn’t want the reward they were trying to get minimum wage workers to take were cops/feds.
That’s a little convoluted and overly complicated for no good reason. “They” would just call or grab him.
It’s convoluted because they needed a parallel investigation to use in court.
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Use illegal means you don’t want to admit in court.
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Locate suspect
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Manufacture a plausible excuse that suspect was found.
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Use that in court
It’s not a hypothetical, it’s fucking procedure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
No one knows everything, I’d encourage you to ask questions next time.
Quick edit:
That’s actually the second time in a row you did that, if I stop replying, it’s because I gave up on helping you and won’t see anymore replies in the future
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That smells exactly like they knew he was on the bus, and needed a civilian to call in a tip to justify the huge response that magically showed up in the middle of nowhere in minutes.
Why wait for pretext if they wanted him? You’re guessing he was already under surveillance. If “they” wanted him they would have grabbed him. There was a nationwide manhunt for him. “They” were desperate for any details. You’re giving “them” too much credit. “They” clearly didn’t have capability and capacity to find him without a rando calling in.
Why wait for pretext if they wanted him?
They wanted a pretext that wouldn’t require them to expose their surveillance state apparatus in court.
Why wait
You would be extremely foolish to continue to underestimate those who are in power. “They’re all just dumb and weak! They couldn’t find him!”
Read up on Parallel Construction like that other chatter suggested.
Nah, they already have that
It needs more compute.
Years ago (just before everything became AI this and AI that) there was a discussion about the collection of big data - essentially, the very plausible argument was that you can collect all you want but you just can’t sift through it in time. There always were reports of how this terrorist’s FB timeline showed his radicalisation - after they killed people.
So people called for small data instead: just collect the metadata. Not that I approve of that either, but it would have made more sense, also wrt environmental impact i.e. energy consumption.
But very soon AI came, Trump was already there, and suddenly it was all Big Data again - plus AI.
This is where we are now. And speaking for the devil: the infrastructure needs to grow to keep up with all the exciting new possiblities.
The NSA has had it for decades.
…but also, we all have IP addresses. Internet wouldn’t work the same without them.
Not to the extent they will have if they succeed in their cloud subscription terminals for all project instead of personal computers.
yeah this is just more of “enclose private property and charge rents on it” imo
Nah, when the bubble collapses there are going to be all these large vacant climate controlled warehouses to use as for profit concentration camps.
You think the concentration camps are going to be climate controlled?
We’ll get the bare minimum heat in the winter to keep us from freezing to death too fast before they can get ‘enough’ work out of us. And absolutely nothing in the summer, not even ventilation fans.
the ones they managed to populate with computers will be used for surveillance, the ones that are sitting empty will be the prisons
Well… take a guess which tool they’re gonna use for total surveillance. 🌝
never atribute to malice what could adequetly be explained by stupidity
People see dollarmarks and forget everything else
The older I get, the less distinction I see between malice and stupidity. They always seem to come as a package deal, never one seen without the other.
Evil geniuses and idiots with a heart of gold are Hollywood fictions. In reality, the most evil, spite-driven people and the most moronic people are almost always the same people.
never [attribute] to malice what could [adequately] be explained by stupidity
People see dollarmarks and forget everything else.
So greed overcomes even Hanlon? I see there’s a point there, but what if greed is just malice by a colder name? Malice at least is intentional and driven, but greed gets kinda indifferent as it trivializes the lives of others for our own financial gluttony.
Chilling.
The only solice I have is the hope they would run it just as bad as they’ve ran everything else. Rife with corruption and incompetence. Would still be horrible don’t get me wrong, just not as bad as it could be.
They’re already like that though. Which is fine. Let them burn out.
The only issue Pandora’s box is open and there’s no way to close it.
If open AI or one of its competitors go out someone will step up and fill the void.
solice
Solace
Totally agree, based on visible trends so far. What HAS this keystone kleptocracy actually pulled-off without bungling it comically? Thank god they’re morons; had they really been the self-made successes they all claim, this would have been a theocratic hell like VP Pence seemed to want.
Then a few people in high places can really exploit it to further their whatever agenda.
They’re the same picture
