Biden’s voice was strong and clear, and the crowd was far warmer to him as an outgoing president

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    3 months ago

    The debate was a one-off for Biden, and that’s the way the cookies crumble.

    Trump said the Dems were doing post-birth abortions.

    Biden had a raspy voice.

    Who was destroyed by the media?

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      Howard Dean said “yeaaahh!” strangely that one time and that was it for him. It doesn’t take much.

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        Because our media is shit

        Biden really was visibly too old. But they’re also pretty good at ginning up issues literally out of nothing when they want to.

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          The media still haven’t realized that they’re a bunch of highly educated puppies. They write well and can form a compelling story, but at the end of the day they get distracted by, and tend to focus on, any flashy or squeaky object in their periphery.

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            Pretty sure you’re talking about two different groups of people inside “the media” there.

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        That’s confusing cause and effect. Howard Dean’s speech was supposed to be a concession speech after losing the only early primary/caucus he was trying to win. He poured in all of his resources in the hopes of winning Iowa, underperformed expectations against a backdrop of dropping in the polls for weeks, and coming in third (with no real prospects for New Hampshire or South Carolina) basically made it impossible for him to have the volunteers, money, or press coverage to survive into the next stage of competing in bigger states with primaries clumped up together.

        He showed everyone his plan of winning Iowa or going home, lost Iowa, and then gave some kind of rallying speech as if he had a plan to recover from that loss. He never did, and it wasn’t the scream that killed his campaign. His campaign was dead before the scream happened. It’s just that the scream was a particularly memorable way for a campaign to die.

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          There’s a lot of fragile people out there who can’t handle things like rad screams, dijon mustard, or women’s right to self-determination.

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          Back when the internet was fun, there was a flash game where you could play as the different presidential nominees, and Howard Dean’s special move was the “Dean Scream” where he would scream flipping back and forth from left to right, and all the enemies on screen would fall down. Top tier.

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        Don’t forget that we voted for Bush because people would rather have a beer in their back yard with him than with Kerry.

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      That’s a pretty generous summation of the problems with Biden’s debate performance. It was also hardly a one-off. Every time Biden appears it’s a coin flip for which Biden shows up, which is why he appears so infrequently.

      You are absolutely right about how Trump’s bullshit gets largely ignored by the press though.

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      It was hardly a one-off. He was setting off alarm bells left and right beforehand, and the debate was his chance to regain some confidence. And he had a bad night then as well. So yah, he has his good days, but it’s pretty apparent that his good days are getting far between.

      This was the right decision, it’s a shame he had to be pretty much forced into it by everyone else that saw it. I blame his handlers, and they should have their asses handed to them for trying to fuck the rest of us by keeping him past his best-before date and giving Trump the presidency.

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        It blows my mind that “Biden just had a raspy voice!!” isn’t banned as misinformation here. Because it literally is, there is no reasonable way to interpret “we beat Medicare” being yelled over and over as the result of a raspy voice. Absolute memory hole shit.

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          My favorite bullshit excuse was when they pretended it was jet lag when he hadn’t been on a plane in two weeks.

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                Speaking personally, I was scared to death of a Trump presidency again, and there was nothing I could do about it other than support the guy that was twilighting on national TV. I felt there was no other option in June. It was awful.

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                made me realize exactly how big the culty echo chamber can be on the left too.

                I don’t know anyone except Republicans who would consider Biden or his supporters “the left”…

                They’re dyed in wool neoliberals that supportered Hillary and Bill before her, and Biden’s been with the Clintons forever, he wrote the 92 “child super predator” crime bill that fucked everything up. There’s not many left, but they’re loud as hell anytime anyone doesn’t say their candidate is the bestest and prettiest candidate ever.

                If you’re not 100% with them. You’re against them as much as if you’re voting trump, and they’ll say anything in the moment that defends their ingroup. Even if it contradicts what they just said

                “Horseshoe theory” is bullshit, but unsurprisingly the most conservative wing of every political party act very similar.

                They don’t want loyalty, they want unquestionable support and zero questions just in general.

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          That’s a big brag for “we lowered prices on a handful of drugs… for Medicare recipients only.”

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            Apparently universal healthcare (AKA Medicare for All, single-payer) is some kind of glass ceiling for Democrats. You have to reject it in order to get nominated. Hillary reversed her position on it; so did Harris.

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            I might not be steeped enough in politics to immediately be able to parse the sentence with the word swap. I do like to think I’m usually pretty good at finishing somebody else’s sandwiches but drew a blank with that line.

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      3 months ago

      The debate was a one-off for Biden

      Bullshit.

      Biden had a raspy voice.

      I really thought we were past the gaslighting that the only thing wrong with Biden was a sore throat. But here we are…