Summary

Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.

His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.

Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.

Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.

“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.

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    Seeing a lot of voting blocks which apparently were clueless as to what they were voting for. The leopards won’t care.

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    Oh yes, just “the bad hombres”. /s

    So, the leopards are coming for the faces, huh? Who would’ve guessed?

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    Like the German version of Nazis before them, they aren’t coming for their biggest target first. They’re coming for their political opposition, the “abortionists”, the atheists, the drug users, the mentally ill…

    RFK Jr.:

    “I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,”

    Re-education camps, huh.

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      Nazism 2: The Brainworm Boogaloo

      Genuinely going to be interesting to see how these fuckwads manage anything, not just this fascism bullshit. Like honestly, at least most of the higher ranked Nazi officials were pretty intelligent (albeit evil.)

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    To trump, every immigrant is a criminal.

    Saying “the legal ones are welcome” is a smokescreen.

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    The article left me confused.

    How does one pay income tax and file taxes while undocumented? Wouldn’t you need a social security number, and hence be documented?

    Could I create an imaginary person to file taxes for?

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    They will be only for criminals… And to draft he’ll classify anyone with skin darker than a certain tone as an “illegal” committing cringe by living in this country, then they’ll go on to trans people, then gay people, then “anteefahs!” And so on… there’s a whole poem about it and everything.

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    Do they not realize that he and his core audience believe the greatest crime a person can commit is not be born white?

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    “A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.

    Oh Carlos, mi dulce niño del verano …

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        Carlos, for the 2570th time, you are free to go chico! Thanks for only being an immigrant and not a criminal immigrant. Our criminal tags are pretty good and you don’t have any. See you tomorrow before work again? 😊 You too man! 😀 Oh what an inspiration of a person!

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    Good luck with that. If you voted for him you’re an even more gullible dipshit than seems possible.

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      It is absolutely disgusting how many people are letting their disappointment and fear turn into vindictiveness and anger.

      They’re undocumented immigrants. By definition they didn’t vote for him, and you should really do some introspection to figure out why this is the first thought you had.

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        Naturalized immigrants, who do vote, often have family members and/or friends that are now on the chopping block. A lot of them voted for Trump thinking they were getting rid of the “bad” immigrants.

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          Fascists also tend to take a “kill them all, let God sort them out” approach to things like this.

          Here legally but the wrong shade of brown? Maybe your English is too accented? “Don’t worry the arrest is just preventative, once they prove they’re here legally (from the camp, with no resources, assistance, or access to their documentation) they’ll be returned to their community.”

          Except they won’t. Oopsie, gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.

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          Okay.

          So you are suggesting that an appropriate response to a humanitarian crisis is “good luck with that” because…some of their relatives voted Republican?

          Do you feel responsible for all of your relatives, or is it just immigrants?

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            You’re putting words in my mouth. I was responding directly to your point about how undocumented immigrants can’t vote and nothing else. I feel very bad for the people that are going to be affected directly. Honestly, everyone is going to be affected in some way.

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        Centrists would rather blame people who cannot even vote than admit that moving to the right has failed.

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        If someone voted or prefers for bad stuff to affect the whole country, then I see nothing wrong with preferring them to be the one to personally experience it.

        If 51/100 people voted to throw a random citizen into a volcano to make God happy, I would hope that the person that gets thrown in is one of those 51 people, and not one of the other 49.

        If someone can’t vote because but still holds harmful views, it doesn’t make them any less deserving of finding out they are wrong. If you wish harm on others, I’m not going to coddle you when you’re sad you personally got harmed.

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          What part of “undocumented immigrants can’t vote” did you miss there?

          You’ve constructed this image of undocumented immigrants who support Trump, which is plainly stupid. In any group, maybe some people are idiots. But you’re trying to pretend that that’s ALL undocumented immigrants, masking your bloodthirst behind a few “If” statements.

          Volunteer for a local charity that helps immigrants. If you see a bunch of MAGA caps then you might have something to say. I don’t expect that to happen.

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            Read my last paragraph? I know they can’t vote. A lot of them still support Trump and his policies, and if they do, they can find out the hard way what those policies really mean.

            To be clear, I absolutely do not support Trump’s deportation policy. I simply don’t feel bad for those that would wish deportation on others, if/when it ends up happening to them. If you support Trump and you get deported by his policies, you don’t get my sympathies. I’m tired of playing nice with people that spew hate and only care about their own personal problems over the problems of their own community and country.

            Harris lost a lot of ground with latinos in this election:

            Trump beat Harris in nearly every major battleground state and improved among several key demographics, namely Latino voters. According to CNN’s exit polls from 2020 and 2024, Trump gained 14 points among Latinos, with Harris winning the bloc by just 6 points this week. In 2020, President Joe Biden won the Latino vote by 33 points.

            The hispanic community moved very far to the right. Yes, the ones that actually voted are not undocumented migrants, but people in their family are, and many of them do share in support of Trump

            When he spoke to Flores in March, Velazquez said President Joe Biden had treated immigrants as if they were ignorant, and that the country was worse off because of his economic policies.

            If Mr. Velazquez gets deported by Trump, I will have no sympathy for him. He even in that article says he won’t have sympathy for himself, he’ll leave the country if Trump comes for him. He literally knows he voted against his own interests and says it in the article. Why should I feel bad for that person? I’ll save my sympathy for the ones who don’t want to kick their own neighbors out.

            “It’s not human,” he said of mass deportations, but added that he has a plan if the policy affects him. “I respect the decision. I leave the country.”

            Here’s one more from Fox News talking about immigrant families on both sides of the issue.

            “So you support Donald Trump because of the economy?” the CNN reporter asked the undocumented immigrant, to which he responded, “For the economy, yes. I don‘t support the anti-immigrant action,” he said, as the reporter asked about Trump’s plan for mass deportations.

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              One day, maybe white people will be held responsible for other white people the way you hold minorites responsible for their families. Maybe then you’ll understand how dumb it is to cherry pick the few worst of you, and pretend that they’re representative of the bunch. It is amazing how many white liberals are excited to see innocent people punished because someone who looks kinda like them voted for Trump.

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                If I was an undocumented migrant and a family member of mine voted for Trump, or vocally supported him, I’d be pissed, and I’d say “if they deport me, I hope they deport you too.”

                Are you saying that would be wrong of them?

                And I’m not allowed to feel the same way, just because (you’re assuming) I’m white?

                I dislike and wish real life consequences upon any Trump supporter. Not their family.

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                I’m talking about people that support Trump. You don’t seem to understand that. My point is I have no sympathy for Trump supporters whether they’re migrants, whether they voted or not. I feel bad for the migrants that don’t support Trump. I really hope you can comprehend that.

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        You do know he’s going to change it do nationalized citizens are not citizens anymore right? If being born here doesn’t count as being a citizen, and this is retroactive, what does count?

        Maybe you should get off the MAGA train and look around.

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    I get that TikTok, YT Shorts, and FaceBook slowly removes attention span, but how the fuck does it cause Amnesia for everything that happened before 2020?

    Trump literally removed holding time limitations and changed the Criminal Only ICE focus of previous administrations so they could put women and children in cages deport children alone to random South American nations citing some ancient treaties.

    This already fucking happened. All of it.

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    I know y’all want to make this a stupid voters leopards ate my balls post but these are undocumented people. They can not vote and had no say in the election.

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      Remember the old maxim: “no one hates new immigrants more than old immigrants”… Their fellow legalized immigrants supported this outcome as well

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        100%. My wife’s family ALL came illegally. I think it’s like 7-10 people, the last one got naturalized like 4 years ago. All but a couple voted for trump and their stance on it is “oh well we got lucky that’s just how it is. They need to come legally”

        I had no words after that.

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      I’m sorry, my “give a fuck” stopped working just after the election results came in.

      Trump promised to deport illegals and even “denaturalize” certain citizens. He wants to deport 20 million illegal immagrants separate family and put the in camps while awaiting deportation. None of this was a secret, they fucking bragged about it.

      Trump gained 14 points nationally with Hispanics. I hope he goes balls to the fucking wall and drops the hammer. May the people get exactly what they voted for.

      Meanwhile, I’m going to do the best to make sure me and mine are taken care of. Stock up on toilet paper, N95 masks, freeze dried food and bullets. It’s gonna be lit!🔥

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    Anyone that thinks that it’s going to be only ‘criminals’ that get deported forget that crossing the border without documentation is a crime. Yeah, it’s a misdemeanor, but it’s still a crime, and the Trump administration is still going to deport them when they can.

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      Adjudicating whether or not someone is guilty of a crime, or in the US illegally, requires a trial. Doing that for millions of people all of a sudden within a system that’s already backed up by more than a year is completely impossible.

      In other words, they are absolutely talking about deporting innocent people of the wrong ethnicity without any attempt at due process, and anyone who thinks different is living in a dream world. And then, once they’re done with that batch, they plan to move on to other classes of undesirables.

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        requires a trial.

        Not for people that are undocumented. People that are not in the us legally get hearings, but that’s policy rather than law, IIRC. Due process gets a little weird here, because the process in question isn’t a matter of law or the constitution.

        Regardless - it’s not going to go well for anyone that thinks that he doesn’t mean them.

        The denaturalization concept–stripping naturalized citizens of citizenship–is fa, far scarier than deportation. Once you can strip citizenship from a naturalized citizen, and once you’ve eliminated birthright citizenship, you’ve got a roadmap for stripping citizenship from anyone.

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          You’re right, I should have said “requires a hearing.”

          It looks like there are less legal protections in place than I thought, and the “justice system” that’s holding the trial is provided by the DOJ. So you do get a hearing, but Trump has even more ability to make it into an unapologetic horror than I thought he did. That’s not good.

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          Due process gets a little weird here

          That’s a strange way to say “asylum seekers don’t have rights because they’re not legally considered people by US law”…

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        Maybe they’re going to hold them under detention while trying millions and millions of people. Might need to build new detention facilities, of course, some kind of camps where they can concentrate the population. It’s going to take a long time too, so in the name of government efficiency they can lease them out to businesses and farms for labor while they await their trials. Work sets you free.

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          These camps will probably be right out side of huge fields and factories that way they can work while awaiting trial. Work hard enough and please your master and you might even get to stay here. Of course not as a free man.

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        It always amazes me when people, even leftists, come up with arguments like „he won’t have enough judges to deport that many people“ or „camps need supplies. How would you do that in such a short amount of time for so many immigrants?“.

        These are plans by the same people that took children from their parents and put them into cages „supervised“ by thugs with batons. And they „lost“ a lot of kids in the process. And they bragged about it.

        If the rule of law gets absolutely destroyed by mass deportations/internments it’s a feature, not a bug to them. You don’t need judges if you have enough thugs who „just follow orders“ „for the greater good“.

        Likewise news of immigrants in camps lacking basic necessities, food and healthcare will just feed their lust for cruelty. And their base will be happy, because those immigrants „brought it upon themselves“, „can always go back to their home country if they don’t like it“ and „need to be a warning for others“.

        Nothing good will come of it. People here in Germany also though that Hitler guy was a bit of a joke, failed his coup attempt, and things „would never get THAT bad“. Spoiler: it did. And then some.