Edited to add - To be clear for anyone, it’s Oligarchs/Billionaires paired with rampant, unfettered corporate greed. (at least in my view)
Someone reminded me that I was using dogwhistle parlance in my use of they which may have suggested otherwise.
Here are some visual aids to accompany my clarification:
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“It’s both sides”
Your political affiliation based on what came to your mind when you read the title
At this point the answer should be billionaires regardless of affiliation.
Found the Left-Libertarian
Saying left libertarian is like saying anarcho-capitalist but it sounds dumber.
It means non-authoritarian and anti-capitalist. The US version of libertarian, which are just capitalists that want the market to be the government, is not the definition of the word.
is not the definition of the word.
Unfortunately, though, it is now. At least here.
On that note, you know many words have multiple definitions, so even if a definition colloquially exists, that differs from the one of most wide use, doesn’t mean that in that local, the wider use case is suddenly void.
lol. I get the joke. Still, I just think anyone work a working brain should be able to notice that
- the bourgeoise just follies their masters
- neither Bezos nor Musk are Jews
- that “we” are not powerful enough unless we’re billionaires
You can hate Jews, brown people, black people, gingers, trans people and others as much as you want and still recognize that.
Unless your brain isn’t working right (eg MAGA) or you are economically benefiting (eg bourgeoisie). I guess you could put that onto a 2d graph as well.
Accurate AF
The F’d up thing is that being solid middle class and having sufficient income to help with a kid’s college money, put away money to actually retire, and pay a mortgage is top 10%. That’s literally what middle class was 50 years ago. Now you have to be a ~10%-er to do it.
We’re able to just barely do those things on a just below median household income in a just above median cost of living area for one very, very specific reason: My wife’s greatest generation grandparents saw the economic writing on the wall 20+ years ago and went into assisted living to give their only grandchild their house as a wedding present. If we had real housing costs while living here we’d be paycheck to paycheck without kids at best.
I make twice the average household income where I am by myself. I’m doing okay, but like, not great at the same time. How the fuck are other people surviving???
Edit: Just kidding, I got the stats wrong, I make a bit above average household on my own, not twice. Point still stands, however.
Yeah, remember when “Wow, I could make $100,000 a year?” was impressive? It was not that long ago.
It’s still better than what most people make, but it’s really not a lot anymore.
Barely.
They made healthcare a commodity, education a dept trap and housing a speculation market - then told you that poverty is a personal failing. They privatized survival and called it freedom.
They made healthcare a commodity, education a dept trap and housing a speculation market - then told you that poverty is a personal failing. They privatized survival and called it freedom.
I’m bad about remembering Alt Text apologies. I will edit to add now if it will let me.
you think ‘they’ means multiple people or a group, but ‘they’ is actually ME!! I DID IT!!
Dammit, burgerpocalypse! How could you‽
please stop doing capitalism mr burgerpocalypse
I beg of you, please stop. Please end this suffering.
Market economy is really really bad in a capitalistic system. One giant buys everything and controls everything.
I know this isn’t what you intended, but you gotta be careful on the Internet saying ‘guess who ‘they’ are’, cos a lotta places on the Internet ask this and the answer is supposed to be ‘jews’
Yes, that’s a great point that I hadn’t considered.
To be clear for anyone, it’s Oligarchs/Billionaires paired with rampant, unfettered corporate greed. (at least in my view)
I thought you just meant capitalists in general, TBH.
I thought it was the lizard people?
What did you think that was a euphemism for?
Capitalist owner class pigs, the capitalist protector pig cops, and military industrial complex for profit pigs.
The illuminati?
Is this seriously a euphemism for Jewish people? I thought it was just a funny conspiracy theory.
It’s both, depending on the specific conspiracy theorists.
Just like not all “infowarriors” know that “the globalists” means “the Jews” and “populist” means “rich, white, racist” in the code of Alex Jones.
And what does “frogs” and “gay” mean in the code of Alex Jones?
Literally “frogs changing gender” but basically it’s a pretense for homophobia and “globalist” scaremongering.
I wasn’t actually sure when i wrote it (it just sounded “truthy”), but I just checked and found this:
Some adherents of the QAnon conspiracy theory have also borrowed from the reptilian conspiracy theory, including elements shared in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
Yeah I can’t think what else OP could mean though? All the other answers I can think of are too broad and obvious for “three guesses” to be a thing you’d ask.
One would need to be way out there deep into White Supremacist/Nazi territory to think “Jews” is the answer to that “riddle”.
Whilst the Far-Right is in resurgence in the West, they’re way more likely to be rabidly anti-Immigrant and Islamophobic than they are rabidly anti-Semitic, so I would be massively surprised that here in Lemmy there were more than a handful (if any at all) of people who read that and thought that was actually the answer (and no, thinking it might be misinterpreted as such isn’t the same as actually thinking that’s actually the answer)
Honestly, I thought OP meant billionaires/capitalists. Jews did not even cross my mind.
Edit: clarity
Right, but saying “three guesses” implies that the answer is something that’s slightly hidden. “Capitalists” doesn’t really make sense because it’s essentially going “three guesses who it is that’s doing all this capitalism… that’s right, capitalists!”. If OP didn’t intend it as an antisemitic dogwhistle then it’s an odd title for other reasons.
(edit: I just had a glance through their post history and I think it’s probably not supposed to be a dogwhistle, but just unfortunately titled; I think maybe OP just assumed everyone reading it were already on the same page on whatever specific thing they themselves blame capitalism on?)
Right, but saying “three guesses” implies that the answer is something that’s slightly hidden.
Or that it’s very obvious and they’re being sarcastic.
That’s what I meant by “slightly”. It’s an expression that gets used when we all know the answer but it’s one that’s slightly under the surface.
But it doesn’t really work for capitalists because these problems don’t exist in a lot of capitalist nations and it kind of exists for supposed noncapitalist nations as well where if you don’t follow the rules and don’t work then they take your commodities away.
TBH tho I doubt that sort of reasoning would stand in the way of anti-capitalists.
3 guesses: Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg
Society works exactly as expected for the capitalists. At the end of the day we’re only dollars to them.
Often both political parties answer to capitalist with Representatives that are also capitalists with absolutely no way to force them to answer to the people.
It’s time to let this system go and switch to something new. Electoralism will not save us.
Time to do a socialism.
I think literally any type of socialist system will be better than what we have 😮💨
Yes, litterally, “good things are better than bad things.”
Man, fuck all that. “Socialists” just let authoritarians into power who then never let go. Your revolution will just leave a warlord in a Che shirt.
Democratic governments with strong social safety nets and robust middle classes are consistently capitalistic. Do you have an example otherwise?
edit: 20 minutes, four downvotes, and zero examples otherwise.
edit: maybe I’ve blocked 10 authoritarian tankies that I cannot read their replies. Hmm.
Like we aren’t already living in an authoritarian hell hole where the government doesnt represent the will of the people.
Democratic governments have a strong safety net? Really? Better tell then nearly a million homeless in the richest country in the world that they have better social nets then china, cuba, USSR which all guaranteed a home for everyone to live in. Hell there is still a guarantee in the Russian constitution which is better then non-acknowledgement of the US.
Did you notice how the global south is still poor and has major issues and just about every fucking country is a Democratic government?
Calling Che Guvera a dictator is hilarious since he died fighting for Revolution in Bolivia after he helped free Cuba from the US imperialist grip. Definitely the actions of a power hungry dictator that already won power in an island nation.
You still haven’t done any fucking reading. Could you stop with the fucking NATO, imperialist propaganda please. If you aren’t then at least get more informed. Your embarssing to all the other boot lickers.
Edit:
Cuba has a strong protections for its people and a growing economy due to trade with the BRICS alliance.
China has uplifted millions out of poverty before capitalism was introduced in the 1990s
Rojava is doing well for itself considering its location in northern Syria.
Wow. Where to start?
Democratic governments have a strong safety net?
Like FDR.
Did you notice how the global south is still poor and has major issues and just about every fucking country is a Democratic government?
<citation needed>
Calling Che Guvera a dictator is hilarious
No, I call Che Guevara a silly commie.
Edit:
lol
Gee I wonder what happens to the line “Capitalism lifted millions out poverty” when you take out China. 🤦
Notice how we don’t have FDR style protections anymore and haven’t since the 1970s? Doesn’t count if it doesnt exist anymore. The only places those safety nets exist is in the Scandinavian countries and those protections are the result of the Second International which was a Communist organization.
Che Guevara is a commie so I guess I don’t actually have a problem with that. But a commie warlord would actually idolize Mao. Learn your communist figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index?wprov=sfla1
71 countries in the global south are considered democratic by the West. Thats a full 45% of them including places like Argentina, Brazil, Chile. Notice how all of these countries have issues that are already solved in the US? Notice how having a Democratic government in place didn’t create safety nets. Notice how these place dont have a safety net.
Sorry what was that about socialist countries solving or having similar problems that “Democratic governments” still haven’t solved themselves?
China is capitalism with a red flag, and so is Cuba, and so was the USSR. All failed projects that just returned back to capitalism. The fact you’re trying to argue this shit while coming from lemmy.ml is hilarious. We all know your actual alignment.
China didn’t lift anyone out of poverty. Just like capitalists, they just lowered the poverty threshold. They’re currently oppressing their workers with massive work hours, no choice to join any union that isn’t the government’s, and they still have billionaires.
China is not and will never be socialist. You’re a capitalist with a hammer and sickle.
those protections are the result of the Second International which was a Communist organization.
BACK IN YOUR CAGE, TANKIE!
blocked, in case you can’t tell.
The end of that one Brother Ali song, I have no idea who the vocalist for that part is.
They keep sayin’ we’re free…
But we’re all just loose.
You ain’t free, you’re just free range.
This is the crux of many a sci-fi stories where humanity is controlled by aliens.
Brother Ali don’t miss
💯
I had no idea this was showing up a couple months ago, and what a treat it is!
Uncle Sam Goddamn
Don’t forget the $1.4T/year they took out of the economy to squander on elaborate, invasive, predatory mass surveillance, serial racialized harassment, and overseas mass murder, in the name of peace and security.
Literally everyone.
Most people think this shit. They’re all complicit.
Bloody apathetic species. I’ve no sympathy at all.
Clearly its the 99.9% of us who are too poor to know any better
And yet they’re all for government intervention when it’s stuff like zoning (telling you where and how you’re allowed to live) or copyright (telling you what ideas you’re allowed to share)…
Reptilians? Bilderbergers? Solarians?
And now they’re trying to automate community, the last thing we have. Don’t let them!
