Saw this in a scicomm feed. Hope it reaches someone. ❤️
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Are they trying to make massive epidemic in U.S.? Because that’s how you make an epidemic.
Yes
The US Gov. wants its citizens sick and feeble.
Yep… They are definitely trying to kill off the bulk of the population If there was any doubt… It’s pretty clear now
Or are extremely delusional and have a terminal savior complex. You’d be surprised to know how much people believe these kinds of bullshits, even if they start out as lies.
“A good liar will eventually believe their own lies if they were truth from the very beginning.” - some of the people of the early far-right I could talk to personally. I even heard the “Truth is not on our side” line a bit too much.
I do think elephant graveyard’s video on Rogan is correct. This is part of a plot by the technocratic billionaire class to purge the world of humans so they can do away with annoying things like “democracy” and “rights”
You don’t act like they do - just the money hoarding beyond belief, not to mention releasing products they know cause mental harm - if you want everyone to be OK.
at least we can “find comfort” in the fact that republicans are unlikely to want to get vaccinated.
I live in Ontario, Canada. I can just walk in to the local pharmacy and get the Covid, flu, and RSV vaccine for free.
The True North Strong and Free (except Alberta, their government are fascist Trump bootlickers.)
RSV is available in the states, but you would have to be in the risk groups and its not eligible to everyone.
Please send help - an Albertan
We can help ourselves. They are dumb and will divide their vote again at the next election.
Exactly. I know a few people who voted for her… now they hate her guts and don’t want to see her get reelected.
The GOP isn’t just a metaphorical plague anymore.
“Pestilence” is such an underused word. They’re a lot like locusts.
government of pollution
After seeing this, I attempted to check CVS for availability for myself and son since he just started back to school and hubby is immunocompromised from chemo, but they had a message stating they anticipate an updated one soon and currently didn’t have it available. Good luck to everyone looking to protect themselves and others.
I just scheduled my updated covid shot through CVS this morning.
i would just ask your insurance if they allow vaccination at other pharmacies, like walgreens, i know they allow fre flu ones.
I’ve had the same message for ~2 months now. Not sure what is going on with CVS.
How soon before we get vaccinations with thoughts and prayers ?
Prayers should be applied topically or to worn armor, written on parchment and attached to a stamped wax seal infused with holy oils.
Thoughts are often immunosuppressive and should be guarded against with tinfoil headwear or nerve staples.
Can someone from the US take a trip to Canada specifically to get vaccines? I have lupus and I really don’t wanna die from covid. I live in an area where people are ride or die Trumpers and don’t give a shit about anyone but themselves.
Lupus is on the list of conditions that merit a vaccine for the under 65 crowd, since it is an autoimmune disease with immune compromising medications.
It’s actually a pretty long list. Being overweight (BMI over 25), having ADHD, depression, being sedentary, being a current or former smoker, having substance misuse disorders, along with all the other ones you’d expect, like asthma, cancer, heart disease, transplant recipients, and anyone who needs a careworker.
As of now, you can self certify as being in one of these groups (you don’t need a doctor’s note). And your doctor can still recommend it for you if you’re not on the list, as long as you don’t have an anti vaxxer doc.
Oh awesome. Hopefully they don’t ban vaccines for that list. Last time I had a simple cold I was almost hospitalized…
At the rate that things are devolving, if you have the means, you may consider emigrating somewhere else. And maybe not Canada because we’ll probably be invaded by your country in the following years, or months.
I don’t have the means to completely leave. I wish I did
Don’t say stupid shit like that.
Why not? I’m not willing to provide links for everything I’ll list, so do what you want with it.
Democracy has failed in the US. They have a king with a dictatorship. They ignore their own laws. They kidnap law abiding citizens, on the streets, at work, in the schools, and send them into concentration camps. They kidnap people from other countries at the border. They invade their own cities with the military. They are sending a flotilla to Venezuela. They are renaming the Department of Defence to the Department of War. They have openly discussed invading Mexico. They have mentioned in the past that Canada should be part of the US. Maine’s Senator sent an open letter to Western Canada and invited them to join the US, like, a week ago.
All this shit is normalized in the US. They just do it little by little and so far people don’t react. They always say “Trump is joking” and “this will not happen” but it ends up happening every time.
Everyone knows that Mecha Mark Carney would rise up and repel an American invasion with extreme prejudice
It’s all nonsense and you normalize the conversation by saying bullshit like this.
And yet you are saying this in a thread about the US restricting access to some vaccines. It was all nonsense a few months ago.
Given the CDC leadership, it’s surprising that it’s still available right now
Just got my second HPV vax and my understanding is I have to wait at least a month before I can have a different vaccine.
That said, I intend to get the Covid and Flu vax once its been a full month. They’ve never told me I can’t do both of those at the same time.
i tried asking for meningicoccal vaccine, but im not at risk so i wasnt given one, or the hpv one,. i was asked about the chickenpox vaxxine once, but i had CPOX when i was young, and shingles when i was 20. i had the vax for it, i dint know, but it appears it doesnt stop or reduce the severity of HZ.
I’ve gotten Covid and Flu vax at the same time. I prefer it, I usually get a fever and my arm gets really sore. One time I tried one in each arm, and I had two sore arms for a couple days instead of one.
If you really want the vaccine, just follow the advise of your physician. They’ll know or find out wheter you can combine them.
If your a normal, healthy person there is no need to get the vaccine though. I get the flu shot every year because my employer offers it and I’m just a big wussy.
When are we supposed to get the flu/COVID vaccines? Right now?
Yeah we’re going into flu season soon. And covid vaccines actually should be updated even more often than flu.
I just checked Costco and it says the covid vaccine is unavailable
You guys have flu vaccines? In the UK only old people get them.
Edit: Not sure why I am getting downvoted for pointing out that things work differently in different countries. Jeez.
how old, flu is so common that people get them very frequently, and some times its severe.
They are offered to everyone. I’m not sure why you think that is a bad thing.
It is typically free if you have any kind of insurance.
Most people don’t have insurance. I certainly don’t. Why would you have health insurance in a country with free healthcare?
I never said they were a bad thing. Just never heard of people getting them who aren’t elderly. Generally because it’s something you have to pay for and nobody likes needles anyway.
I’m surprised a country with free health care doesn’t provide free vaccines.
If US insurance companies cover vaccines, you can bet your ass they’ve done the math and it saves them money over just paying for the people that get sick…
The UK government has been systematically destroying its healthcare system for a while now.
They do provide vaccines. Just not for flu specifically.
Jeez, that sucks. I always get my flu shot (I live in Germany). My Insurer allows me to get the one against 4 strains of the flu virus. Usually you’re only entitled to the one against 3.
I can’t believe two Kennedys were assassinated, and this guy isn’t one of them.
I can’t believe two Kennedys were assassinated, and this guy isn’t one of them.
My favorite JFK conspiracy is that no one killed him. His head just did that.
I like to imagine that he entered a Mandela trance that gave him a peek into our timeline where he saw RFK Jr. Then his head blew up.
The Mandela Effect is the weirdest conspiracy theory to me as that fucker was never off the TV during my teens. No-one would even have heard of him if he’d died before all that.
Also Bearenstien bears is real, I’ve seen the VHS!
Except another guy in the car also died
the worms give him immunity.cant assasinated more than 1 worm at a time.
Head not worth shooting i guess, even the worm inside it is found dead, probably from suicide.
The worm is calling the shots here.
You know, there’s something called “rule of three”…
Nor John Kennedy, who’s even more of an asshole.
Last night I was hanging out with a few friends and they all started going in on “the clot shot” and Fauci making money off it and blah blah blah ugh
Waiting for the “sounds like you need new friends” joke, but that’s really a bummer. It’s difficult to make friends and connect with people as it is, and then this shit polarizes us and makes what used to be a fairly private stance something that would rarely, if ever, come up in friendly conversation. Hopefully they aren’t raging Nazis or anything…
What are you talking about? What’s a clot shot?
I Bhere were some vaccines that was believed to cause blod clots. I have a friend (35m) who got a stroke caused by blood clots after hos shot. If it was the vaccine or anything else is hard to say
I am not a vaccine sceptic but I am curious as to why America still vaccinates everyone for Covid. In Sweden we haven’t cared for many years about getting vaccinated and it hasn’t been a problem. The vaccine is available to get if you need it. But it’s not something we collectively vaccinate for any more.
You guys have benefits to protect you, if you get sick. Americans barely get sick leave, medical bills are ridiculous, and if covid leaves you crippled, SSI (Disability) pays a whopping $11k a YEAR. It’s not enough to survive on, despite paying taxes. Yeah, someone might have worked enough hours to get SSDI, which is a few dollars more an hour, but still not enough to cover rent.
I’m Swedish, live in France.
Here: vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate, in Sweden : meh do whatever.
Also Swedish people: hello neighbor please you’re only 5 meters away from me it makes me uncomfortable.
In the meantime in France: Hello friends and neighbours, kiss kiss kiss kiss!
On a more serious note, Sweden had the medical capacity that France didn’t have, which is one of the big reasons in the very different response to the pandemic in those two countries.
I saw a study the other day that mentioned that Sweden during the pandemic had a median time of 30 days sick leave for those who had Covid.
In the US that would be rare if not impossible for a lot of people. I would think if someone could get a shot that would lessen symptoms or duration in a country that has such a poor health care safety net it might be worth while.
Yeah most people here can stay home if they are sick. You get 80% of your salary to start and then it gets lower the longer you are sick. The first 14 days are paid by the workplace and after 14 days the government takes over.
There’s more people in the US. Plust the US is not collectively vaccinating people
There’s more people in the US
?? How is that relevant
Why wouldn’t it be. The more people theere are the higher the chance for an outbreak.
They key point is density. The denser the population, the more people need to be immunized for herd immunity to be effective, because the more people the average person comes in close contact with even only in passing.
It’s like the difference in walking six blocks in a sleepy town vs six blocks in downtown Manhattan. Even in “rush hour”, with the sidewalks at maximum typical capacity, the former might net you a dozen close encounters while the latter could easily net you 1,200 close encounters. If you are immunocompromised, the same level of herd immunity in the general population makes the former a much safer environment than the latter.
And in general, Europe tends to be much more densely populated than almost any other part of America short of the major metro regions, and they make their cities far more walkable and pedestrian-friendly, increasing the amount of potential interactions someone has; even just passing interactions.
Statistics can be wild.
But getting vaccinated doesn’t really prevent you from spreading it, it just prevents you from not dying from it.
But getting vaccinated doesn’t really prevent you from spreading it, it just prevents you from not dying from it.
LOLWUT is this antivaxxer shit? Go back to your anti-reality, anti-evidence, anti-facts hellhole, bud.
Yes, vaccines can prevent you from spreading disease to others, though the degree of prevention varies by vaccine and pathogen. By reducing the likelihood of infection or the severity of illness, vaccines lower the amount of virus or bacteria shed, thus decreasing transmission to others. High vaccination rates within a community further limit the spread of diseases.
#Here’s why:
##Reduced Infection Risk:
When you are vaccinated, your body is better prepared to fight off the pathogen, making you less likely to get infected in the first place.
##Lower Viral Load:
If you do get infected after vaccination (a breakthrough infection), the illness is often milder, and you may shed less virus, which makes it harder for you to transmit it to others.
##Community Protection:
When enough people in a community are vaccinated, the chain of transmission is broken, protecting those who cannot be vaccinated or for whom the vaccine is less effective.
Therefore, getting vaccinated not only protects your own health but also contributes to the health of the entire community by helping to stop the spread of infectious diseases
It doesn’t “prevent” but it strongly mitigates how infectious you become and for how long.
Cant speak for the US, but in general, Covid is still more dangerous during the acute infection than the flu and also causes much larger numbers of post-viral sequelae. Those are all potential reasons to recommend the vaccine, which can reduce the severity of both
It very likely has been a problem and is just being underreported.
A single infection often doesn’t cause much harm, but those who have constant exposure and infections (teachers especially) are having major health problems. It’s barely mentioned outside of science papers.
Our health department seems to be releasing weekly reports about the covid situation. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/folkhalsorapportering-statistik/statistik-a-o/sjukdomsstatistik/covid-19-veckorapporter/aktuell-veckorapport-om-covid-19/ That week 10 people died with covid in their bodies. All ten were 65+ years, 7 of them was 80+ years.
I am not knowledgeable enought to know if this is a lot or not but it seems low to me. I have faith that my government would do something if the situation was bad.
Edit: Okey so they have stopped publishing weekly reports about covid and will only resume them if the epidemiological situation changes for the worse. Which is the right thing to do in my opinion.
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Same in Germany. Last year I asked some people who got vaccinated if they think I also should get another shot and all of them told me that I’m not in a vulnerable group (or a caretaker) so I shouldn’t bother. So we basically repeat what we know from the normal flu (influenza) and just vaccinate vulnerable people. I’m not sure if this is the best way to do it, because I think many people die each year of the flu as well. However, death statistics are hard and I couldn’t find any reliable data on this either.
US standard policy recommends flu shot for everyone if they can take it.
When I was in college, our choir director told us that the flu vaccine was mandatory – like he couldn’t actually know or enforce it, but we had a duty to the group to do whatever we could to protect each other in that high risk activity. Especially since some of the members were seniors. I thought that was pretty compelling and beautiful, and I got it that year after being hesitant and have every year since.
It became a political statement here. That’s why you see people with masks on, when they’re in a car by themselves lol.
Yeah magats only wear masks to kidnap and disappear people
Have you ever heard of hay fever?
No such thing in Texas. Nope, the only reason to do anything, at all, while you are completely alone in your car is to hope that you will be noticed by some (definitely not a creeper staring into other people’s cars instead of watching the road) road warrior in a lifted diesel dually and deeply insult his proud lineage (land owners in the South who
definitely probablyhopefully were not slave owners) and his deeply researched (heard from Fox news while half conscious from alcohol poisoning, at a bar while looking for his car keys so he can drive home) personal beliefs.
I’m not sure what the data is for children, but after speaking with my doctor (who has gotten vaccinated multiple times) says they don’t believe the vaccination will be very effective this year since there is no clear data on its effectiveness. They basically said it’s probably not worth it. They highly suggested the flu vaccine though. Take that info for what you will. I’m not sure what I’m doing yet.
Edit: grammar
I read that it’s still effective because the latest version is an ofspin of one strand compatible with the vaccine.
Now, I’m not saying everything isn’t a shitshow. Clearly it is. Based on the general insanity, I am 100% in favor of getting vaccinated sooner rather than later. But “might” != “will”.
I’m quite glad you included article links. Careful, though; the image posted is how propaganda works. By itself, it is unsourced, apart from the Unambiguous Science logo at the bottom (which could have been put there by anyone). UnSci refers to itself as
No sensational headlines, no politicizing of science. Just evidence based information.
And as noted early in this comment, the image says “will revoke” while the reporting says “might/may revoke”.
I know you’re using markdown but it’s coming through as “exclamation point equals”. Lemmy supports the full on character i.e. ≠
Yah while I’m aware of the situation and what’s been said, what has been said wasn’t exactly from a highly reputable source, it wasn’t even from the DHHS, it was someone who “talked to” RFK, and somehow every news outlet picked it up.
That all said, it could indeed happen, the administration is unhinged and a spike in covid deaths would be great for their plan of manufactured chaos, but they also have a much longer track-record of leaking crazy implications in order to fuck with the valuation of stocks.
They may also be planning to do the Chairman Trump thing again and leverage their threats for a 10% cut of Moderna and Pfizer’s profits. I just don’t see them cutting off a profitable company for no other reason than an-anti vax narrative they never really cared about, and just pushed to fleece the country’s stupidest fucks.
All in all, it’s way too unverified and unpredictable to know for sure what’s going to happen, however this infographic/poster thing is really terrible. It’s framed like an announcement, posted in first-person, and has no links or sources. It’s so terrible I wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone in the administration made it and leaked it also.
Go get your boosters/vaccines and your kid’s vaccines anyway, it shouldn’t take this to do the right thing.
You complete me.
And you complete a Snickers!
I guess they’re not authorizing the licensure of them, so that’s why it’s so tentative. He’s doing the trump vague thing, so you can’t go after him directly and then slowly take things away.
The rise in COVID comes as the Trump administration has delayed the rollout of the updated vaccine for the fall. Last year, the federal government had fully green-lighted the annual reformulation of the vaccine by June, in time for a rollout that began in September.
This year, however, the Department of Health and Human Services led by vaccine skeptic Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has in effect delayed the rollout of this fall’s COVID shot.
“Updated COVID-19 vaccines have been delayed this year due to federal policy changes, and we are awaiting [Food and Drug Administration] licensure of this season’s products,” the L.A. County Department of Public Health said in a statement to The Times. “This means availability in September may be later than what people experienced last fall.”
The California Department of Public Health also warned that because the federal government hasn’t made decisions on licensure approvals and recommendations, “availability and timing of specific COVID-19 vaccine products may be more limited and occur on a later schedule.”
