Heh, that would’ve been my guess. Nothing to be embarrassed about! Your joke worked. It was just weird to see all those concepts put together in a way they wouldn’t go in an actual game. (DND doesn’t have action points, for starters)
Not in the sense people usually use the phrase “action points”.
In D&D, on your turn, you get one action. That might be hitting someone with a sword, casting a spell, or whatever. You can also move, but that’s not typically an “action”. Some classes also get what are confusingly called “bonus actions”, which are extra things you can do on your turn. Rogues, for example, can try to hide as a bonus action even after they did a normal action like shoot someone. A regular fighter who shot someone with a bow wouldn’t be allowed to try to hide on the same turn, but the rogue could.
Because you only get one action (and bonus actions), no one calls them action points. You might say “you already took your action” or something.
Compare with a game like the original Fallout. You get a number of action points based on your stats. For an average character, it’s 7. Shooting someone typically takes 2, a called shot takes 3. I think movement also takes action points. So on your turn you might shoot someone 3 times (six action points) and move a little (1 action point). Or take a called shot (3 AP) and move a lot (4 AP). Lots of options. Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 also use action points in a similar way.
This is way more explanation than you probably needed. The key thing is on D&D you typically do one thing on your turn (eg: attack, cast a spell). Pretty much every action has the same “cost” in this sense. You can’t really mix and match, and there’s not as much tactical depth on your turn. (Pathfinder 2e gives you three actions per turn, but I don’t think anyone calls them points there, either.)
Pathfinder 2e gives you three actions per turn, but I don’t think anyone calls them points there, either
Yeah, they’re just actions. Though the original joke kinda works, because the way Pathfinder frames it is that you gain actions at the start of your turn, so it’s more conceivable that something could prevent you from gaining those actions, or could take them away. (Indeed, the “Slowed” condition says that you “When you regain your actions, reduce the number of actions regained by your slowed value”, as a similar example.) Even though they’re not called points, they do kinda act like that kind of a resource.
Initiative determines the order of action. Usually in combat, but it could theoretically be applied elsewhere, a debate for example, or if a Bard challenges someone to a rap-battle (I guess those are both kinda just verbal combat though).
Action points are how many actions you can perform per turn of initiative. Usually a movement, an action, and possibly a bonus action.
Slipping on a banana peel could be done if you rolled acrobatics to leap over the banana peel but failed the skill check. Say you’re a Gnome whose lost their legs, taking a -6 modifier to Dexterity. This could cause an acrobatics roll of 12 to fall to 6, which could below the 7 you might contextually need to succeed at leaving over the banana peel.
“Using your powerful gnome arms you make a mad gorilla dash and leap with all your might, Unfortunately the loose dirt under your right hand gives way and you slip. You manage to catch yourself with your left hand, but before the squelch of the banana peel registers to your ear your arm slips out from under you and you strike your head upon the ground”
Take 1 Damage and Roll a Con save to see if you’re concussed.
Edit: I brainfarted and described a potential DnD or PF situation, this cannot occur in BG
I crit fail my players on skill checks if they have a negative with modifiers.
“Oh you rolled a -1 on your lockpicking roll? Sorry bucko, you broke your pick off deep in the lock because what you thought was a false set was your tensioner slipping”
Pathfinder’s four degrees of success system is so good here. A crit is any time you beat the DC by 10. A crit fail is any time you get 10 less than the DC. The system itself then tells you on a bunch of different spells/actions/effects what happens on a crit/success/fail/crit fail. It’s handy because often this means a regular fail can still mean something good happens for you. In the case of lockpicking:
Critical Success You unlock the lock, or you achieve two successes toward opening a lock that requires more than one success. You leave no trace of your tampering. Success You open the lock, or you achieve one success toward opening a lock that requires more than one success. You leave behind damage that indicates the lock was picked on close scrutiny. Critical Failure You break your toolkit and leave behind obvious damage. Fixing a broken toolkit requires using Crafting to Repair it or else swapping in replacement picks (costing 3 sp, or 3 gp for an infiltrator thieves’ toolkit).
Long lasting general strikes and boycots would be an effective tool. I realize they would be painful, or even impossible, for people to support themselves through in many cases, whuch is why things like mutual aid and strike funds need to be set up first.
i don’t know, i feel much better, and those in power now hire more security and canceled plans, which is a good indication they are scared. also talk of assassination is getting normalized. the tone has defenatly changed
Protests, Marches, call for General Strike, Civil Disobedience, etc etc etc
Trumptard may not care about your opinion but he would have to care if the country stops working…
And yes, I know it’s hard… but this is what you get after decades of apathy and “fuck you, got mine”… you don’t like it? you are certainly going to hate living the rest of your life under fascism
I want the rest of the world to commit to a defensive pact against the USA. “If either of us is attacked by the USA, we will both go to war with them”. I want a pan-continental alliance. Let’s get Europe, China, Russia, South America, Oceania, and the Middle East in this. Mexico and Canada can join too. And I’m not saying I agree with Hamas, but they do have a lot of experience against American military hardware, and the enemy of the USA is my friend.
Ehh naw we just need to let it reset. The house of cards will crumble as soon as Trump croaks, then once ceaser is gone Rome will burn. Hopefully what comes after is better, but it probably won’t.
Personally, my family came to this foreign land, that’s not ours, to seek out a better economic life and freedom. 2024 was the first election that the youngest voting generation went more conservative in the last 100 years. The beliefs of this nation no longer align with my own, so I’m returning back to Europe where my family once came in search of those very values. I realize a lot isn’t great there either, but I have more trust in the EU protecting my fundamental rights than I do the US Constitution.
Failing that, at least Europe has better wine and I’ll just enjoy the view while the world ends.
^ this is the epitome of the “fuck you, got mine” mentality… you seem to think you have an out so every body else can go fuck themselves… you are not even going to try to spare most of the worst of it, you are happy to let everyone suffer because you think you have an out
Good luck EU if this is what they are getting from the USA
The time to do something was back a few decades ago… back in November there was a good chance to buy some time… now it’s all uphill but it will only get harder the more you guys keep on “waiting for it”
Out of all the possible ways out of this, 99% of them started with Republicans not having full control of the government. Buying time would have allowed more Boomers to die and more Millennials to pull their heads out of their asses and start voting, getting elected and involved in party politics.
There’s no waiting going on tbh. This is like a group project in college, there is no intent to do anything but hope others will resolve things for you.
And here is the problem… nothing that Trump is doing could possibly end in a better situation for the USA, so when the shit hits the fan and the inevitable depression hits, the USA will do the only thing it knows how to do (specially under Conservatives): they will blame some other country and go to war with it and this time, hitting Yemen won’t do it
Right now I am basically only hoping WWIII is not fought with nukes… that’s my best 10 year scenario
People cant do anything. What actions will change things?
You can demonstrate until you die of old age and nothing has been accomplished.
I think the only actual change people can do is try and collect money to live somewhere else. I dont believe in talking and convincing people. I believe in direct action in your own life.
It didnt create meaningful change. A person was killed. The opinions of his fans are only stronger now. So what did it accomplish, really.
Also, the moment people split into two sides and wont listen to eachother, and starts fighting eachother, you have the setup needed for much more meaningless violence. This is where America is now. Because you have been manipulated into it.
No wonder why the “fuck you, got mine” attitude got you here.
PS: there isn’t really anywhere in the world that is craving to take Muricans right now… specially not ones that are not rich enough to already have an out (this sucks but money talks)…
well I am not American so my actions are not the same as yours…
In Spanish they have this saying “cada ladron juzga por su condicion”… which applies here. It basically means “a thief thinks everyone else is also thieving”… it says a lot more about you that your default assumption is that I do nothing even if I am calling for action
I didnt actually write or say that you do nothing. I asked you what actions you think would work.
Its because I have pretty much thought about all of this before. No action that I can come up with will lead to any change. But maybe you have better ideas.
another “let’s set some arbitrary line down the road to avoid doing anything today”
you already live under a fascist regime you cowards… DO SOMTHING! take action NOW
You decide to take action. Please roll for initiative.
rolls 1
You slip and fall on banana peel. You ran out of action points.
What a strange mix of RPG tropes. I get what you meant but that’s like when you see “hacking” on tv.
I’ll be honest. I never played DND and only know it from memes. I was trying to make a funny. 😔
Edit: the rpg part probably stems from Baldur Gate 3. 🤷♂️
Heh, that would’ve been my guess. Nothing to be embarrassed about! Your joke worked. It was just weird to see all those concepts put together in a way they wouldn’t go in an actual game. (DND doesn’t have action points, for starters)
But Baldurs does right? I played it for like 2 minutes 😂
Not in the sense people usually use the phrase “action points”.
In D&D, on your turn, you get one action. That might be hitting someone with a sword, casting a spell, or whatever. You can also move, but that’s not typically an “action”. Some classes also get what are confusingly called “bonus actions”, which are extra things you can do on your turn. Rogues, for example, can try to hide as a bonus action even after they did a normal action like shoot someone. A regular fighter who shot someone with a bow wouldn’t be allowed to try to hide on the same turn, but the rogue could.
Because you only get one action (and bonus actions), no one calls them action points. You might say “you already took your action” or something.
Compare with a game like the original Fallout. You get a number of action points based on your stats. For an average character, it’s 7. Shooting someone typically takes 2, a called shot takes 3. I think movement also takes action points. So on your turn you might shoot someone 3 times (six action points) and move a little (1 action point). Or take a called shot (3 AP) and move a lot (4 AP). Lots of options. Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 also use action points in a similar way.
This is way more explanation than you probably needed. The key thing is on D&D you typically do one thing on your turn (eg: attack, cast a spell). Pretty much every action has the same “cost” in this sense. You can’t really mix and match, and there’s not as much tactical depth on your turn. (Pathfinder 2e gives you three actions per turn, but I don’t think anyone calls them points there, either.)
Yeah, they’re just actions. Though the original joke kinda works, because the way Pathfinder frames it is that you gain actions at the start of your turn, so it’s more conceivable that something could prevent you from gaining those actions, or could take them away. (Indeed, the “Slowed” condition says that you “When you regain your actions, reduce the number of actions regained by your slowed value”, as a similar example.) Even though they’re not called points, they do kinda act like that kind of a resource.
Yes but not in that way.
Initiative determines the order of action. Usually in combat, but it could theoretically be applied elsewhere, a debate for example, or if a Bard challenges someone to a rap-battle (I guess those are both kinda just verbal combat though).
Action points are how many actions you can perform per turn of initiative. Usually a movement, an action, and possibly a bonus action.
Slipping on a banana peel could be done if you rolled acrobatics to leap over the banana peel but failed the skill check. Say you’re a Gnome whose lost their legs, taking a -6 modifier to Dexterity. This could cause an acrobatics roll of 12 to fall to 6, which could below the 7 you might contextually need to succeed at leaving over the banana peel.
“Using your powerful gnome arms you make a mad gorilla dash and leap with all your might, Unfortunately the loose dirt under your right hand gives way and you slip. You manage to catch yourself with your left hand, but before the squelch of the banana peel registers to your ear your arm slips out from under you and you strike your head upon the ground”
Take 1 Damage and Roll a Con save to see if you’re concussed.
Edit: I brainfarted and described a potential DnD or PF situation, this cannot occur in BG
Do you crit-fail your players on initiative roles? Brutal 😮
I’ve never played DND. I’ve only know it through memes. 😔 I tried to put the gist of what I understood.
Do you crit-fail your players on ANYTHING? I can’t imagine the dm ideas for how one in twenty swings should send your sword flying into the ether.
I crit fail my players on skill checks if they have a negative with modifiers.
“Oh you rolled a -1 on your lockpicking roll? Sorry bucko, you broke your pick off deep in the lock because what you thought was a false set was your tensioner slipping”
Pathfinder’s four degrees of success system is so good here. A crit is any time you beat the DC by 10. A crit fail is any time you get 10 less than the DC. The system itself then tells you on a bunch of different spells/actions/effects what happens on a crit/success/fail/crit fail. It’s handy because often this means a regular fail can still mean something good happens for you. In the case of lockpicking:
And what action would you like to take?
Long lasting general strikes and boycots would be an effective tool. I realize they would be painful, or even impossible, for people to support themselves through in many cases, whuch is why things like mutual aid and strike funds need to be set up first.
If the film/tv industry did this alone everything would collapse pretty fast. Cut off everyone’s entertainment and they’ll get pissed real fast.
You mean like when there was a writer’s strike and basically nothing happened and basically nothing changed?
maybe more like when they took away social media in nepal and they burned that fucker down
They’re using ‘Bread and circuses’ to pacify, so remove the circuses and watch the anger boil up.
They’re doing a job of removing the bread already - huge benefit cuts from the most vulnerable among us
You do have a point, media helps keep the cattle calm and distracted…
A couple of days ago someone brought the right tools to the debate😉
That really changed things didnt it. Except no… It didnt.
i don’t know, i feel much better, and those in power now hire more security and canceled plans, which is a good indication they are scared. also talk of assassination is getting normalized. the tone has defenatly changed
We just need to keep winning debates…
One of them dies and the rest of us are dealing with the consequences.
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Look up ‘pyrrhic victory.’
Oh no, don’t give the nazi regime pretense for the things they already did and already were planning to do! That would be horrible!
So why would you stop at one?
*Pyrrhic
edited. Thank you.
Because the rest of you didn’t get up and continue the fight.
Like bringing a sucker punch to a gun fight.
Protests, Marches, call for General Strike, Civil Disobedience, etc etc etc
Trumptard may not care about your opinion but he would have to care if the country stops working…
And yes, I know it’s hard… but this is what you get after decades of apathy and “fuck you, got mine”… you don’t like it? you are certainly going to hate living the rest of your life under fascism
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-key-issues-that-drove-gen-z-protests-that-toppled-nepals-government
Use the guns for what they were meant for
I want the rest of the world to commit to a defensive pact against the USA. “If either of us is attacked by the USA, we will both go to war with them”. I want a pan-continental alliance. Let’s get Europe, China, Russia, South America, Oceania, and the Middle East in this. Mexico and Canada can join too. And I’m not saying I agree with Hamas, but they do have a lot of experience against American military hardware, and the enemy of the USA is my friend.
I’m sure that the same folks who couldn’t get Harris elected will be able to create an international pact more powerful than the UN.
Well we’re not allowed to vote in US elections, so the Harris situation doesn’t really reflect on our abilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War
Ehh naw we just need to let it reset. The house of cards will crumble as soon as Trump croaks, then once ceaser is gone Rome will burn. Hopefully what comes after is better, but it probably won’t.
Personally, my family came to this foreign land, that’s not ours, to seek out a better economic life and freedom. 2024 was the first election that the youngest voting generation went more conservative in the last 100 years. The beliefs of this nation no longer align with my own, so I’m returning back to Europe where my family once came in search of those very values. I realize a lot isn’t great there either, but I have more trust in the EU protecting my fundamental rights than I do the US Constitution.
Failing that, at least Europe has better wine and I’ll just enjoy the view while the world ends.
Great Man Theory is bunk.
If you think europe is better you really haven’t been paying attention. This is a worldwide concerted effort.
^ this is the epitome of the “fuck you, got mine” mentality… you seem to think you have an out so every body else can go fuck themselves… you are not even going to try to spare most of the worst of it, you are happy to let everyone suffer because you think you have an out
Good luck EU if this is what they are getting from the USA
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Unfortunately, the time to do something was back in November.
The time to do something was back a few decades ago… back in November there was a good chance to buy some time… now it’s all uphill but it will only get harder the more you guys keep on “waiting for it”
Out of all the possible ways out of this, 99% of them started with Republicans not having full control of the government. Buying time would have allowed more Boomers to die and more Millennials to pull their heads out of their asses and start voting, getting elected and involved in party politics.
There’s no waiting going on tbh. This is like a group project in college, there is no intent to do anything but hope others will resolve things for you.
Yeap… but nobody is coming to save anyone
And here is the problem… nothing that Trump is doing could possibly end in a better situation for the USA, so when the shit hits the fan and the inevitable depression hits, the USA will do the only thing it knows how to do (specially under Conservatives): they will blame some other country and go to war with it and this time, hitting Yemen won’t do it
Right now I am basically only hoping WWIII is not fought with nukes… that’s my best 10 year scenario
I voted for Jill Stein. I was part of the 0.5%.
Congrats, you fell for a Republican trap.
People cant do anything. What actions will change things?
You can demonstrate until you die of old age and nothing has been accomplished.
I think the only actual change people can do is try and collect money to live somewhere else. I dont believe in talking and convincing people. I believe in direct action in your own life.
Well Charlie Kirk has been awfully quiet and not bussing around insurrectionists to the Capitol recently. Wonder what happened there?
It didnt create meaningful change. A person was killed. The opinions of his fans are only stronger now. So what did it accomplish, really.
Also, the moment people split into two sides and wont listen to eachother, and starts fighting eachother, you have the setup needed for much more meaningless violence. This is where America is now. Because you have been manipulated into it.
You can watch this video that actually explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azE7nqqQMmo
Please actually watch it. This is 100% what is happening.
Oh nah, I moved away a long time ago because I saw what would happen over a decade ago.
No wonder why the “fuck you, got mine” attitude got you here.
PS: there isn’t really anywhere in the world that is craving to take Muricans right now… specially not ones that are not rich enough to already have an out (this sucks but money talks)…
No not fuck you, got mine.
Just not going to try and convince anyone before taking action in my own life. I think its a much better strategy if you actually want change.
well I am not American so my actions are not the same as yours…
In Spanish they have this saying “cada ladron juzga por su condicion”… which applies here. It basically means “a thief thinks everyone else is also thieving”… it says a lot more about you that your default assumption is that I do nothing even if I am calling for action
I didnt actually write or say that you do nothing. I asked you what actions you think would work.
Its because I have pretty much thought about all of this before. No action that I can come up with will lead to any change. But maybe you have better ideas.
Fair, but what you wrote is kind of worse… you basically assumed nobody can do anything about this
Yeah I dont think anyone can.
Maybe someone proves me wrong.
I’m certain no single person can fix this… but if somehow the USA goes into a General Strike, this regime won’t last a week
The country relies on cars for everything. If you block some roads, you can halt the whole economy.
Not in America. In France, yes. Still humans in France.
Your mindset is why this is happening. Their propaganda has worked on you.
Either go to protests, do something more dangerous, or shut the fuck up