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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it’s not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
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The same people also see being “progressive” as a bad thing. I swear, if they had they way, we still be amazed at the sight of fire while living in our caves.
Yeah but have you noticed how despite the fact that they normally hate progress and change because it makes their control harder, they’re utterly obsessed with AI.
Whoa, fuck yeah Linus Torvalds
On top of all of that he used “I couldn’t care less” correctly.
I’m just impressed they used ‘couldn’t care less’ correctly.
english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms
Man, fuck english idioms. Will never get over how “that’s shit” = bad but “that’s the shit” = good
Greater brevity: “Holy fuck!” Something bad happened. “Holy fuck!” Something awesome happened.
That’s quite the example.
“bollocks” = bad / nonsense / lies
“the bollocks” = the absolute best you can get
Yes, but sometimes they use them too much.
If you’re not woke your eyes are closed
Or just plain stupid
Just saw the recent south park episode- absolutely killed. Poor Cartman is nothing withoutout the woke 😢
The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t woke and think that’s like a good thing lol.
It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
To be fair, “woke” as it’s widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to “redpilled”, with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as ‘enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren’t’. It’s “woke” as in alert and aware of the truth, and “redpilled” similarly to how it is in the Matrix—becoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.
So, I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:
The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t redpilled and think that’s like a good thing lol. It’s like saying “I’m a fucking idiot” and being smug about it
You wouldn’t agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentiment—the only difference is in what the content of said ‘higher truth’ that one who’s woke/redpilled has become ‘enlightened’ to, is.
It’s the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don’t call themselves “anti-abortion”, but “pro-life”. Like the above, it’s a PR move. Would you accept a ‘pro-lifer’ telling you you’re “anti-life” if you oppose their view? That’s the kind of rhetorical maneuver you’re employing in your comment.
My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that “woke” represents—it hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, “it’s crazy people say they’re against healthcare being a human right and think that’s like a good thing lol”, than what I quoted above.
a few problems with this comment:
- woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
- anyone who claims to be woke is instantly not woke. you have to earn being called woke by an oppressed person. you can claim to be conscious to aspects of this system of oppression, but you cannot claim to be woke or conscious without instantly demonstrating yourself to be a performative ally
- your issue is not with whether or not being woke is good, your issue is with whether or not claiming to be woke is good, in which case, see point 2
- conservatives use redpilled wrong just like they use woke wrong. they just generally use any terms of consciousness wrong because fascism is a scam that promises progressive benefits through status quo, an obvious logical fallacy
your issue isn’t with “woke” your issue is with how conservatives use the word woke, literally the point of the OP
woke is net a left wing counterpart to “redpilled” it’s a term at least 160 years old
Okay, I know when it’s a waste of time to keep reading a comment. This is Advanced Bad Faith, lol.
i’m being for real. and that you deny real history and say real history is “bad faith” is terrifying. you’re being willfully unaware of what’s going on around here and declaring yourself to be superior in knowing what’s going on
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Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.
Yeah seriously I’ll never understand how it’s an insult. Conservatives call having empathy “woke” and I’m like “yes, yes it is woke. Your point?”.
it’s basically everything you need to know about them
But they call people on the left sheep? How can this be true? /s
Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.
Still is if you aren’t a twat
Nowadays I prefer the term “correct”.
I honestly don’t see people using “woke” positively these days.
Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.
I think it’s wild that the word ‘woke’ entirely replaced the selective outrage on the 2010s over “CRT,” a bogyman that most white conservatives still cannot define.
See also: politically correct (PC) and social justice warrior (SJW)…all just fancy ways to call someone a commie pinko bleeding heart socialist. The Red Scare never really stopped, and neither did the Lavender Scare
My stupid ass: “why did the conservatives have an issue with Cathode Ray Tube TVs?”
Because super smash brothers is woke
Fuck yeah it is.
Lol, yeah that was constantly the problem I had back then, especially since MAGA was using “CRT” as the scare word, and not nothing to mention that it means “Critical Race Theory,” a phrase well in-line with other subjects in other fields, like Biblical Critical Theory.
That was depressing. I knew our president was dumb, but I still didn’t think he could be that dumb.
I struggle to understand how you guys in the US missed the signs. I mean… stuff like “they are eating the dogs” should sparkle some doubts, right?
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What’s amusing is that the Wikipedia article traces its origin back to the Republican Party.
No reminder needed for me, but for those who might want to do a deep dive:
I wince any time someone says something like “Wake up!”, “Take the red pill!” etc.
It invariably means “Start believing the shite I believe”
I agree that wokeness is more enlightened than ignorance, but I also wonder how woke it is to scorn the less enlightened so hard.
I’m sure someone is somewhere grappling with that.
Since the politicians they support and voted in are actively dismantling the government, erecting a dictatorship, and enacting policies guaranteed to get people needlessly killed I don’t find myself burdened by such concerns.
The point isn’t to take sides with the sheep, it’s about self-awareness. Recognizing that hating ignorant people is just a different form of ignorance. We’re all burdened by or own ignorance even if we don’t know it.
I don’t hate them for their ignorance. I would actually stop short of saying I hate them at all. But the deep disdain I feel for them is for the hellscape they have dragged all of us into, and which will take decades to fix, if we fix it at all.
So yeah, I’m probably burdened by being ignorant of how that makes me just as bad as they are.
Considering I’ll die of old age still being harmed by what they have empowered and are currently cheering for, and will also die knowing my kids’ lives and the lives of everyone I care about will be worse because of it, I’m ok with that.
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Waving your hands and saying “woke is not an insult” will not stop it from being used as an insult. But we can counter by using MAGA as an insult.
yup. but it also takes away their power when they’re like “you’re woke!” and you’re like “oh, you really think so? that’s wonderful”
yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it’s probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.
no for sure. it’s a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it’s a good thing to be
I feel like there’s a pretty big set of center-to-left people for whom the positive notion of wokeness is spoiled by particularly egregious behaviour of, say, “woke Twitter.” (for instance, I suspect many are eager to move on from “mansplain.” And let’s not forget people bullying Lindsay Ellis for comparing Raya and the Last Dragon to Avatar; that was fucked up.)
If we can deftly arrange for “woke” to redirect to that kind of peripheral stuff, and extract the important stuff – protections for minorities, diversity and inclusion, etc. – under some new label, then yeah I’m content to leave “woke” in the past.
So conservatives version of this is their deweaponization of the word nazi? Fuck this timeline.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” - Joseph Goebbels
The word Nazi was weaponised then overused against people who where not in fact Nazis. And now it no longer means anything. Congratulations you played yourself.
So that video the other day of that woman blaming the Jews for being holocausted weren’t nazis? And to ad this is a view I’ve witnessed firsthand from only conservatives.
That woman defiantly was a Nazi. But calling people who don’t believe what she does the same thing makes calling her a Nazi effectively meaningless.
Classic boy who cried wolf scenario. And now the real wolfs get away with saying fucked shit.
That would be because its conservatives who it is weaponised against. Who would expect that.
During the holocaust there were millions of Germans who were completely indifferent to the killing of the Jews. They were likely unconsciously ignoring the horrible shit that was happening and didn’t want to face reality because if they did acknowledge it they would be implicated or be shunned by their in group. Notice how their main concern was selfish in nature. This is how I see the landscape of modern day conservatism. There is little to no pushback from other conservatives against the horrible shit people are saying and doing.
So you can argue all you want whether or not the wilfully ignorant are nazis or not I don’t really care. And I am not surprised it’s meaningless to those who are indifferent. They have already chosen to ignore the horrible shit some conservatives are saying, why would they care what anyone else says.
Nazi said what?
If their is anyone I would trust as an authority on how to convince people to be Nazis it would be gerbils.
Doing exactly as he suggests is a very poor idea.
It’s easier too. You don’t gotta constantly be vigilant for the next way the woke industrial complex is trying to indoctrinate you. Because they won.
They go me already. We’re doing unisex bathrooms? Ok then. Eighty new variants of pride flag just dropped yesterday? Well there’s a lot of new colour combos I’ll forget in 30 seconds but alright. Pronouns can be wholly silent, like the P in Pterodactyl? I cannot comprehend how that works but sure it literally will never affect me in a negative way.
Petition to rename Twitter again, to Twatter. I know, I know, my intellect is frightening sometimes. /s
There are people who have not called it Twatter from day one? Huh…
It’s been Xitter (pronounced “Shitter”) since the rebranding
I will deadname that shit till the day I die! Or not, I honestly can’t be bothered to give a flying fuck, truth be told …
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Was this meant to be a response to this thread by chance? 😅
Yes thanks, my bad. Moved the comment to the right thread.
Haha no worries, happens to the best of us :)
I’m fine with ignorants and some twats, but not both at once.
Many self described woke people are in fact ignorant fucking twats. One political outlook does not make u not an ignorant twat. You can be both. U can be neither. This is a false dichotomy. And ur attempt to put people in one of 2 boxes without acknowledging any sort of nuance around it clearly indicates the box you fall into.
any person claiming to be woke is instantly not woke because that’s not how the term works
The meaning of the word has changed to mean exactly those people. The right did that and they did it very effectively, and that’s how the silent majority see it.
