While “Die Polizei” as an institution is not AS bad as the US equivalent (and honestly, that would be quite a high bar), the institutional group-dynamics are strongly moving in the same direction and have attracted a (not really) suprising amount of authoritarian conservative or right-out right-wing people into their ranks, strengthening an inherent institutional anti-left, anti-immigrant and anti-poor bias.
It’s not quite the same issue as in the US, (for example our Polizei get a great education in de-escalation and handling people without the use of force) but the institutionalized sentiments are increasingly dangerous and problematic.
You seem to know a lot about inner group dynamics of an institution that you dislike. Where do you got your informations? Especially that the problems are increasing?
And furthermore, for a mindplay, lets just assume, you are right.
How would the “ACAB” be fitting in there? What is your intended effect of saying it out loud or posting it online? (Besides of beeing … edgy(?))
Yes, because my immediate surroundings used to be chock full of cops. My uncle and aunt as well as my neighbors and best friends parents growing up all were or still are Polizei, I had the opportunity to spend much of my time in the household of a criminal investigator and a trainer of the North Rhine Westphalian riot police, I lived next door and visited my cousins in the house of an internal affairs officer and a “normal” police officer. As a kid I had the opportunity to sit in and shoot a water cannon they use to dispere riots and every time there was a party in the cul-de-sac, I got to listen to the cops talk to each other and listened not only to what they said but how they said it, what they argued about and how it changed over the years. I grew up in those group dynamics, I heard the esprit de corps directly from them. And it informed my political leanings to a big degree.
None of them were bad cops, but all of them served a broken system that changed their attitude to the worse. Worse even, when my aunt did her job in the LKA Dezernat internal affairs when the migrant crisis started and there was a noticable step to the right on the side of the Polizei, she got ostracised and (subtly) threatened.
Then of course there are studies and statistics, 2024 had more people shot by the police than every other year since 1999 and illegal police violence is substantially more often directed against leftist, poor people and migrants or asylum seekers.
ACAB is a condemnation of a police system that is in large parts not working correctly and more importantly, suffers from targeted infiltration by the far-right. There are multiple reports of AfD and independent far-right activists calling for their allies to infiltrate the ranks of military and police to use the power of the state to further their political goals and mold the esprit de corps towards a desired anti-democratic bend. We COULD create laws to keep the worst of this in check, but the lobbying by DPolG and various politicans keeps that from happening… and as long as the keepers of the nations violence are not under stricter control and oversight, the entire institution and thus all cops will remain bastards.
Obviously you know a thing or two about german police, so you know that the police forces are federal leaded; so the police from Hamburg can be very diferent to the police from Hessen, or Lower-Saxony etc.
So if you know some people from one federal police, doesent mean you know them all.
Fe: The police from Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony are known for the very liberal and kind way of working, Bavaria and Hamburg on the other hand are known as straight law-and-order cops.
Further more:
I only know 2 people from the police in NRW, one was a socialist, good hearted criminal inspector from Cologne (father of a friend) and the other is an patrol officer from Düsseldorf. The patrol officer is a unpolitical working class guy, but has a good sense for whats good or bad. I know him from Alt Rock Festivals.
2015 and the rising numbers of refugees and the was a severe tests for the democratic values of our society. In every bubble I know (working class, farmers, academics, city folks, town folks, people from migrant families), a lot of people said and did weird stuff, and some got catched by fascist propaganda.
Especially working class, farmers and town folks had in my experience a high amount of fascist and racist views.
A friend of mine is working in a hospital as a nurse. He was facing racism from colleagues against patients on a daily basis. He had to fight a lot, to make his colleagues think about what they are saying.
And then came covid-19, a much more intense test.
Today I witness a more reflected and differentiated view. The bubbles far away from the academic ivory tower are more sensitive for discrimination and fascism or undemocratic behavior.
So if you witnessed a change of view by police officers, it was probably more of general view in the working class - and most police officers are more working class then academica.
2024 a lot of people got killed by police forces in Germany. This is a tragedy. And we have to lower the numbers.
To make a relation between uprising facism inside police forces and people shot by police is at least bold. Especially if you look at the cases in detail.
As far as I know its more of problem of our psychological treatment and a rising number of people in need for psychological/psychiatric help.
Where did you get your informations about illegal police force against leftist, poor people, migrants and refugees / asylum seekers?
I dont know how deep you digged into criminology, but this is a really tricky topic. Its about the Dark and white figures of crimes. If you show me your source, probably I can explain it a little to you.
But still: Illegetimate behavior by police officers, especially unlawfull force, against anybody is a severe problem in police forces. As far as I know its not a big problem in numbers, but as other forms of corruption, it does severe harm to our society and can lead to spirals of violence.
To your last part:
The GDP (the by far major police union) and the BDK are fighting against the afd in the police. Fe. it is not allowed to be part of the afd as an GDP Member since 2021. And contrary to their usually unpolitical public statements, both unions condemn the afd.
https://www.gdp.de/niedersachsen/de/stories/2025/05/2025-05-02-verfassungsschutzentscheidung-zur-afd-muss-ernst-genommen-werdenhttps://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/72365/5696490
And many federal states are trying to make the police force resilent against fascist propaganda. There a democracy-schoolings, fe. by lgbtqi+ police-officers. And the basic training nowadays includes sociology, psychology, criminology, anti-escaltiv trainings etc. to prevent radical views by training them to look through the daily mess of poverty, violence and misery they are facing day to day.
The Dpolg-leaders on the other hand are at least right-wing conservative populstists. In general they are just loud and are playing todays media.
In parts because of them, Polizei Grün (police green) got founded.
https://polizei-gruen.de/
And they try to work on some basic problems of the police, like their error-culture.
So… Are they all still bastards* to you?
Edit:
*furthermore: the insult “bastards” is shit. Please, if you want to insult someone, use something else
The problem is not with individual cops, I know a lot of really good cops, first among them my aunt who always fought to keep the institution responsible and upright by investigating cases of police misconduct and for that she was threatened and ostracised.
The problem is that the institution politically is largely opposed to checks and regulations regarding their members. Prosecutors drop charges of police violence if any investigation takes place at all (only 2% will arrive at a charge). And if it comes to a trial, policemen form the ol’ “Wall Of Silence” (also the case of Oury Jalloh)
Amnesty International says:
“Leider gibt es viele Einzelfälle, bei denen die Ermittlungen […] unbefriedigend bleiben”
At what point do “many individual cases” stop being individual cases?
Slesvig and Lower Saxony being model police forces doesn’t take away the problems with hamburgian, saxon, north rhine westphalian, hessian, baden wurtembergian and bavarian forces.
The GDP fighting fascism in the police is a good thing, but the unions resisting the establishment of independent investigators is not.
Other countries have a much more transparent handling of their cases of police violence and our german police institutions are lobbying hard to keep those regulations away in our country.
This opposition to control and regulation is a HUGE problem, especially when the people holding the states monopoly on violence are forming an esprit de corps that prevents individual good cops from blowing the whistle on bad behaviors.
Believe me, im in to the thematic and the police as a whole needs reformation, especially the error-culture.
But still: Is “ACAB” the right answer to this problems?
What about reporting police abuse? I am a fellow Europoor and I feel that here if you reported a patrol it’d get taken quite seriously (or it would become a political scandal if it didn’t).
Police violence charges are usually dropped due to “lack of public interest” (which can be applied to pretty much any crime at the discretion of the responsible prosecutor) and/or the police officers you allege to have abused you will sue you for defamation. Usually it’s both.
IMO, the United States still very much has its hegemony. Although Trump has certainly damaged the United States’s reputation…my government unfortunately still has tremendous power and money. For Christ’s sake, we control the financial system.
My point is that a lot of the fucked-up stuff going on in the world is because of the US meddling in local affairs. For example, when the CIA toppled the government of <insert Latin American country here> because <insert corresponding socialist leader here> was popularly elected, and allowing even statist socialism to spread would be inconvenient for the American political project.
That, and a lot of governments play “follow the leader” with the US. So anything monstrous we do, other world leaders are going to follow eventually.
Military power is not taken seriously anymore! Superpowers cannot even defeat very small countries, like you guys lost against Syria, Thailand, Afganistan… The most recent example is Russia losing against Ukraine! Sure you have a lot of nukes, but almost all countries are in such alliances where through one way or another they are also protected by nukes + the international outrage if anyone used them would be so estronomical that even a deranged dictatorship like Russia doesn’t risk it
You guys spend far far far more on keeping the dollar the national currency then what you benefit from that and donnie is currently severing your trade with other countries
Your hegemony is thankfully over!I think you are really overestimating your influence! Say the world is and was very much so open to china despite your fluctuating relationship with them!
It absolutely does. By “good” cops, I mean those who follow protocols and are generally nice to the people they lord over.
When I say ACAB, I am not necessarily weighing in on the individual character of all police officers (although often they do suck as individuals). What I mean is that the role that cops play in society is evil. The police are here to impose the will of the capitalist class on the working class every single day. Even if they follow protocols while doing it, even if individual cops rarely do “the right thing”, even if the “good” cop in your head or your social network or family is otherwise an excellent person outside their police work, all cops are still cops and therefore categorically evil.
ACAB includes “good” cops because the police are a categorically evil institution.
I dare not imagine what sort of world you imagine we live in, frankly because I don’t care for your delusions! So please continue hating the police as an extension of the Coke brothers, who stay up all all night to stop you from jaywalking
So please continue hating the police as an extension of the Coke brothers
Like we can agree to disagree on everything else but please I beg you don’t lump me in with the Koch Brothers 😭😭😭
The police protect the Koch Brothers from the consequences of their actions. I’m against the Koch Brothers. I literally hate them and all the other capitalists who openly make our world uninhabitable. As an anarchist, I am anti-capitalist and anti-State.
I dare not imagine what sort of world you imagine we live in
One run by the capitalist class…I thought I made that pretty clear in my response.
jaywalking
Jaywalking is actually an excellent example of a bullshit, made-up crime that the police currently use to harass black and brown people, and was invented to help capitalists make the United States into a car-centered hellhole.
Sorry I’m just so thrown off, what made you think I’m pro Koch Brothers? I want to make sure I don’t do it again even by accident 😭😭😭
For one you should look up what irony and hyperbole means
For two in first world countries the rich only very mildly have more influence than that of the common for the multitude of laws ensuring so! The us might get there one, tho I doubt it for its not democratic in any semblance
Are the rich an evil entity meant to corrupt the world? No they are not, should they take more obligations and duties on their shoulders for they are the most able to? Yes! Should they be hated for resisting that in an individualistic world in which people freeze and starve on the streets? No, and from those who believe so I would ask what they do for the common
And in your fantasy how does the rich benefit for enforcing jaywalking, which apparently only colored folk do?
For one you should look up what irony and hyperbole means
I had no reason to believe that you were being hyperbolic or ironic.
For two in first world countries the rich only very mildly have more influence than that of the common for the multitude of laws ensuring so!
Yeah you’re living in Opposite World. Do you actually live in the US? I do, and I have for my entire life. Please look into the Epstein files, the Panama Papers, Elon Musk and DOGE and Donald Trump. You will see very quickly that protection of the rich from the consequences of their actions is the defining feature of the United States, regardless of which party is in power or who the figurehead is.
Are the rich an evil entity meant to corrupt the world?
No, they are a self-interested group of powerful people who share a common interest of maintaining the status quo. Whatever their internal state, evil or otherwise, this makes them my enemies.
Should they be hated for resisting that in an individualistic world in which people freeze and starve on the streets?
Yes!
And from those who believe so I would ask what they do for the common
Yeah but I don’t take anything from common people by…existing as a working class person? In contrast, the capitalist class continuously takes everything from the workers of the world. They steal our labor, paywall our knowledge, put all our natural resources behind fences and people with guns, and use their control to destroy our planet and make it uninhabitable for everyone.
And in your fantasy how does the rich benefit for enforcing jaywalking, which apparently only colored folk do?
Firstly, I want to clarify that I did not mean to imply that people of color actually are more likely to jaywalk. I meant to make two connected points:
The police use bullshit offenses like jaywalking to harass black and brown people.
Jaywalking is historically one of those bullshit offenses, and it was specifically designed to entrench car-centric culture.
(1) is deep historical fact. Especially in America, the police are designed from the ground up to harass black and brown people because anti-black racism is foundational to every iteration of the United States.
The arrival of the automobile in the opening decades of the 20th century led to increasingly deadly conflicts in the street, and the public was generally unsympathetic to motorists or to early attempts to legislate pedestrian behavior.[2][3] In response, the US automobile industry and associated organizations undertook public campaigns to identify pedestrians, often impugned as jay-walkers, as a problem to be managed in the new automotive age.[2] The first widely successful criminalization of jaywalking was enacted in Los Angeles in 1925, using legislation drafted by the auto lobby that inspired similar ordinances in other American cities.[2]
I’m currently reading a book called Our Enemies in Blue by Kristian Williams. Williams has created an incredibly detailed, nuanced, and well-cited book about the history of policing, obviously from an abolitionist standpoint. Of course I developed my views on police before starting this book based on my experiences, the news, and other sources, but it is still an enlightening read. Please add this to your reading list.
-Weakest excuse I have ever heard, there is no shame in learning
-I don’t live in the US, I said I live in a first world country; corruption of the few is not descriptive of all
-Every group is self interested and cery very few extremist groups want to topple the status quo as such changes historically always ended in turmoil
-You don’t give either to society, yet you ask for more from it! And the rest is not true! Your labor is not stolen you are willingly selling it to the entity you choose; discovering knowledge takes resources, its distribution takes resources, if the cycle was not self sustaining then there would be no new discoveries…
But policemen are not an issue outside of the us, that german blahaj is fine!
ACAB, even that seemingly kind German cop you met with on your vacation in Germany.
Even the kind cop? All the more proof y’all just cop-h8ters. This is what happens when woke and dei
I lived there for 3 years, might move back this year :)
While “Die Polizei” as an institution is not AS bad as the US equivalent (and honestly, that would be quite a high bar), the institutional group-dynamics are strongly moving in the same direction and have attracted a (not really) suprising amount of authoritarian conservative or right-out right-wing people into their ranks, strengthening an inherent institutional anti-left, anti-immigrant and anti-poor bias.
It’s not quite the same issue as in the US, (for example our Polizei get a great education in de-escalation and handling people without the use of force) but the institutionalized sentiments are increasingly dangerous and problematic.
You seem to know a lot about inner group dynamics of an institution that you dislike. Where do you got your informations? Especially that the problems are increasing?
And furthermore, for a mindplay, lets just assume, you are right. How would the “ACAB” be fitting in there? What is your intended effect of saying it out loud or posting it online? (Besides of beeing … edgy(?))
Yes, because my immediate surroundings used to be chock full of cops. My uncle and aunt as well as my neighbors and best friends parents growing up all were or still are Polizei, I had the opportunity to spend much of my time in the household of a criminal investigator and a trainer of the North Rhine Westphalian riot police, I lived next door and visited my cousins in the house of an internal affairs officer and a “normal” police officer. As a kid I had the opportunity to sit in and shoot a water cannon they use to dispere riots and every time there was a party in the cul-de-sac, I got to listen to the cops talk to each other and listened not only to what they said but how they said it, what they argued about and how it changed over the years. I grew up in those group dynamics, I heard the esprit de corps directly from them. And it informed my political leanings to a big degree.
None of them were bad cops, but all of them served a broken system that changed their attitude to the worse. Worse even, when my aunt did her job in the LKA Dezernat internal affairs when the migrant crisis started and there was a noticable step to the right on the side of the Polizei, she got ostracised and (subtly) threatened.
Then of course there are studies and statistics, 2024 had more people shot by the police than every other year since 1999 and illegal police violence is substantially more often directed against leftist, poor people and migrants or asylum seekers.
ACAB is a condemnation of a police system that is in large parts not working correctly and more importantly, suffers from targeted infiltration by the far-right. There are multiple reports of AfD and independent far-right activists calling for their allies to infiltrate the ranks of military and police to use the power of the state to further their political goals and mold the esprit de corps towards a desired anti-democratic bend. We COULD create laws to keep the worst of this in check, but the lobbying by DPolG and various politicans keeps that from happening… and as long as the keepers of the nations violence are not under stricter control and oversight, the entire institution and thus all cops will remain bastards.
Obviously you know a thing or two about german police, so you know that the police forces are federal leaded; so the police from Hamburg can be very diferent to the police from Hessen, or Lower-Saxony etc. So if you know some people from one federal police, doesent mean you know them all. Fe: The police from Schleswig-Holstein and Lower Saxony are known for the very liberal and kind way of working, Bavaria and Hamburg on the other hand are known as straight law-and-order cops. Further more: I only know 2 people from the police in NRW, one was a socialist, good hearted criminal inspector from Cologne (father of a friend) and the other is an patrol officer from Düsseldorf. The patrol officer is a unpolitical working class guy, but has a good sense for whats good or bad. I know him from Alt Rock Festivals.
2015 and the rising numbers of refugees and the was a severe tests for the democratic values of our society. In every bubble I know (working class, farmers, academics, city folks, town folks, people from migrant families), a lot of people said and did weird stuff, and some got catched by fascist propaganda. Especially working class, farmers and town folks had in my experience a high amount of fascist and racist views. A friend of mine is working in a hospital as a nurse. He was facing racism from colleagues against patients on a daily basis. He had to fight a lot, to make his colleagues think about what they are saying. And then came covid-19, a much more intense test. Today I witness a more reflected and differentiated view. The bubbles far away from the academic ivory tower are more sensitive for discrimination and fascism or undemocratic behavior. So if you witnessed a change of view by police officers, it was probably more of general view in the working class - and most police officers are more working class then academica.
2024 a lot of people got killed by police forces in Germany. This is a tragedy. And we have to lower the numbers. To make a relation between uprising facism inside police forces and people shot by police is at least bold. Especially if you look at the cases in detail. As far as I know its more of problem of our psychological treatment and a rising number of people in need for psychological/psychiatric help.
Where did you get your informations about illegal police force against leftist, poor people, migrants and refugees / asylum seekers? I dont know how deep you digged into criminology, but this is a really tricky topic. Its about the Dark and white figures of crimes. If you show me your source, probably I can explain it a little to you. But still: Illegetimate behavior by police officers, especially unlawfull force, against anybody is a severe problem in police forces. As far as I know its not a big problem in numbers, but as other forms of corruption, it does severe harm to our society and can lead to spirals of violence.
To your last part: The GDP (the by far major police union) and the BDK are fighting against the afd in the police. Fe. it is not allowed to be part of the afd as an GDP Member since 2021. And contrary to their usually unpolitical public statements, both unions condemn the afd. https://www.gdp.de/niedersachsen/de/stories/2025/05/2025-05-02-verfassungsschutzentscheidung-zur-afd-muss-ernst-genommen-werden https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/72365/5696490 And many federal states are trying to make the police force resilent against fascist propaganda. There a democracy-schoolings, fe. by lgbtqi+ police-officers. And the basic training nowadays includes sociology, psychology, criminology, anti-escaltiv trainings etc. to prevent radical views by training them to look through the daily mess of poverty, violence and misery they are facing day to day.
The Dpolg-leaders on the other hand are at least right-wing conservative populstists. In general they are just loud and are playing todays media. In parts because of them, Polizei Grün (police green) got founded. https://polizei-gruen.de/ And they try to work on some basic problems of the police, like their error-culture.
So… Are they all still bastards* to you?
Edit: *furthermore: the insult “bastards” is shit. Please, if you want to insult someone, use something else
The problem is not with individual cops, I know a lot of really good cops, first among them my aunt who always fought to keep the institution responsible and upright by investigating cases of police misconduct and for that she was threatened and ostracised.
The problem is that the institution politically is largely opposed to checks and regulations regarding their members. Prosecutors drop charges of police violence if any investigation takes place at all (only 2% will arrive at a charge). And if it comes to a trial, policemen form the ol’ “Wall Of Silence” (also the case of Oury Jalloh)
Amnesty International says:
At what point do “many individual cases” stop being individual cases?
Slesvig and Lower Saxony being model police forces doesn’t take away the problems with hamburgian, saxon, north rhine westphalian, hessian, baden wurtembergian and bavarian forces.
The GDP fighting fascism in the police is a good thing, but the unions resisting the establishment of independent investigators is not.
Other countries have a much more transparent handling of their cases of police violence and our german police institutions are lobbying hard to keep those regulations away in our country.
This opposition to control and regulation is a HUGE problem, especially when the people holding the states monopoly on violence are forming an esprit de corps that prevents individual good cops from blowing the whistle on bad behaviors.
I would urge you to look into the KivAPol research project: https://kviapol.uni-frankfurt.de/
Believe me, im in to the thematic and the police as a whole needs reformation, especially the error-culture. But still: Is “ACAB” the right answer to this problems?
What about reporting police abuse? I am a fellow Europoor and I feel that here if you reported a patrol it’d get taken quite seriously (or it would become a political scandal if it didn’t).
Police violence charges are usually dropped due to “lack of public interest” (which can be applied to pretty much any crime at the discretion of the responsible prosecutor) and/or the police officers you allege to have abused you will sue you for defamation. Usually it’s both.
So another police office will decide whether to believe you or their fellow police officer?
There’s just been videos of cops detaining pro-Palestine protesters in Germany.
One shows them separating and piling on a woman. One cop repeatedly punching her in the face with a fist while she’s already on the ground.
Cops are bastards. All. No matter where.
What gave you that idea?? There are loads of cops in nazi whatsapp groups and all the others that just shut up about their bad colleagues.
ACAB always and everywhere. Cops the world around protect the status quo, NOT the people.
All Cops Is All Cops.
Just because your country is fucked up that doesn’t mean the world is
…but the world is fucked up though… and tbh, the United States and its hegemony has had a lot to do with it unfortunately.
Via its ex-hegemony (Ty daddy Tramp) do you mean the the consistent negative effect it had on the world ever since they claimed?
IMO, the United States still very much has its hegemony. Although Trump has certainly damaged the United States’s reputation…my government unfortunately still has tremendous power and money. For Christ’s sake, we control the financial system.
My point is that a lot of the fucked-up stuff going on in the world is because of the US meddling in local affairs. For example, when the CIA toppled the government of <insert Latin American country here> because <insert corresponding socialist leader here> was popularly elected, and allowing even statist socialism to spread would be inconvenient for the American political project.
That, and a lot of governments play “follow the leader” with the US. So anything monstrous we do, other world leaders are going to follow eventually.
Oh jolly goddess you don’t
Military power is not taken seriously anymore! Superpowers cannot even defeat very small countries, like you guys lost against Syria, Thailand, Afganistan… The most recent example is Russia losing against Ukraine! Sure you have a lot of nukes, but almost all countries are in such alliances where through one way or another they are also protected by nukes + the international outrage if anyone used them would be so estronomical that even a deranged dictatorship like Russia doesn’t risk it
You guys spend far far far more on keeping the dollar the national currency then what you benefit from that and donnie is currently severing your trade with other countries
Your hegemony is thankfully over!I think you are really overestimating your influence! Say the world is and was very much so open to china despite your fluctuating relationship with them!
ACAB includes good cops
Which makes no sense
It absolutely does. By “good” cops, I mean those who follow protocols and are generally nice to the people they lord over.
When I say ACAB, I am not necessarily weighing in on the individual character of all police officers (although often they do suck as individuals). What I mean is that the role that cops play in society is evil. The police are here to impose the will of the capitalist class on the working class every single day. Even if they follow protocols while doing it, even if individual cops rarely do “the right thing”, even if the “good” cop in your head or your social network or family is otherwise an excellent person outside their police work, all cops are still cops and therefore categorically evil.
ACAB includes “good” cops because the police are a categorically evil institution.
I dare not imagine what sort of world you imagine we live in, frankly because I don’t care for your delusions! So please continue hating the police as an extension of the Coke brothers, who stay up all all night to stop you from jaywalking
Like we can agree to disagree on everything else but please I beg you don’t lump me in with the Koch Brothers 😭😭😭
The police protect the Koch Brothers from the consequences of their actions. I’m against the Koch Brothers. I literally hate them and all the other capitalists who openly make our world uninhabitable. As an anarchist, I am anti-capitalist and anti-State.
One run by the capitalist class…I thought I made that pretty clear in my response.
Jaywalking is actually an excellent example of a bullshit, made-up crime that the police currently use to harass black and brown people, and was invented to help capitalists make the United States into a car-centered hellhole.
Sorry I’m just so thrown off, what made you think I’m pro Koch Brothers? I want to make sure I don’t do it again even by accident 😭😭😭
For one you should look up what irony and hyperbole means
For two in first world countries the rich only very mildly have more influence than that of the common for the multitude of laws ensuring so! The us might get there one, tho I doubt it for its not democratic in any semblance
Are the rich an evil entity meant to corrupt the world? No they are not, should they take more obligations and duties on their shoulders for they are the most able to? Yes! Should they be hated for resisting that in an individualistic world in which people freeze and starve on the streets? No, and from those who believe so I would ask what they do for the common
And in your fantasy how does the rich benefit for enforcing jaywalking, which apparently only colored folk do?
I had no reason to believe that you were being hyperbolic or ironic.
Yeah you’re living in Opposite World. Do you actually live in the US? I do, and I have for my entire life. Please look into the Epstein files, the Panama Papers, Elon Musk and DOGE and Donald Trump. You will see very quickly that protection of the rich from the consequences of their actions is the defining feature of the United States, regardless of which party is in power or who the figurehead is.
No, they are a self-interested group of powerful people who share a common interest of maintaining the status quo. Whatever their internal state, evil or otherwise, this makes them my enemies.
Yes!
Yeah but I don’t take anything from common people by…existing as a working class person? In contrast, the capitalist class continuously takes everything from the workers of the world. They steal our labor, paywall our knowledge, put all our natural resources behind fences and people with guns, and use their control to destroy our planet and make it uninhabitable for everyone.
Firstly, I want to clarify that I did not mean to imply that people of color actually are more likely to jaywalk. I meant to make two connected points:
(1) is deep historical fact. Especially in America, the police are designed from the ground up to harass black and brown people because anti-black racism is foundational to every iteration of the United States.
For (2), here is the literal second paragraph of the Wikipedia article on jaywalking:
I’m currently reading a book called Our Enemies in Blue by Kristian Williams. Williams has created an incredibly detailed, nuanced, and well-cited book about the history of policing, obviously from an abolitionist standpoint. Of course I developed my views on police before starting this book based on my experiences, the news, and other sources, but it is still an enlightening read. Please add this to your reading list.
-Weakest excuse I have ever heard, there is no shame in learning -I don’t live in the US, I said I live in a first world country; corruption of the few is not descriptive of all -Every group is self interested and cery very few extremist groups want to topple the status quo as such changes historically always ended in turmoil -You don’t give either to society, yet you ask for more from it! And the rest is not true! Your labor is not stolen you are willingly selling it to the entity you choose; discovering knowledge takes resources, its distribution takes resources, if the cycle was not self sustaining then there would be no new discoveries…
In germany we call policeman abusing their power “bedauerliche Einzefälle”
Or “eine Reihe bedauerlicher Einzelfälle”
So viele Einzelfälle…